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Do you believe the Quran has scientific facts in that predate the current understanding of reality that we have today?
Eg. That the earth is an oblate spheroid?

I do believe that Quran has scientific clues. I do believe that clues in Quran predate the current understanding of reality that we have today. Embryological stages as mentioned in Quran and around 1,000 other clues made me to believe so. There are clues, which supersede our present day knowledge, and those would be the clues for the coming generations.

So what currently unknown scientific discoveries does the Quran predict?

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So effectively it operates a retrospective pat on the back for believers utilising a confirmation bias to enforce what they already wanted to believe, right?

Scientific clues in Quran are for those non-believers who are in search of truth and trying to get to it by means of their contemplations on nature and natural processes.

SEE: Above. What currently unknown scientific discoveries does the Quran predict?

People in the life of Prophet Mohammad were illiterate. First, they were far from cultural and educational environment second no one knows anything about science. Prophet Mohammad was one of those illiterate people. However, they believed in Quran not because they had all the scientific knowledge to understand scientific clues in Quran. They were believers because they have understood the nature of their own beings through the teachings of Quran.

Circular reasoning.

Also, why people believe the words written down in a holy book is irrelevent in respect to whether there is any evidence behind the words. That sounds like an argumentum ad populum fallacy.

The prime mode of this prudential knowledge is self-awareness, and every being existing in itself which is capable of self-awareness is a pure and simple light, as evinced by the pellucid clarity with which it is manifest to itself. In fact, being a pure and simple light is precisely the same as having self-awareness, and this is true of all self-aware entities up to and including God, the Light of Lights, the intensity of whose illumination and self-awareness encompasses everything else. The main constituent of reality is the hierarchies of such pure lights, differing solely in the intensity of their Illumination, and thus of self-awareness

I struggle to draw any meaning from the above paragraph. I suspect it might be waffle.

Nature is self-evident for anyone who is sentient and keen about it. Quran attracts attention towards the common sense nature that can easily be perceived by the common sense faculties of man. Quran helps an endeavouring person and reveals common truths to the eye of his consciousness.

More waffle. I want hard facts and evidence based research, not anecdote and personal testimonies.

Quran invites people to ponder over the nature because understanding of nature is the right path to the understanding of God.

Waffle.

It is He Who has created for you (the faculties of) hearing, sight, feeling and understanding: little thanks it is ye give!
Al Mu'minuun (23)
-Verse 78-

The exquisiteness of Quran is in its text. The text is so eloquent that it does not demand any scholarly background from a person to understand this message, yet scholars cannot comprehend scopes of its meanings in totality.

Waffle.

The eloquence of the words is irrelevent to the substance behind them, of which currently, there is none aside the meaningless spiritual revelation of believers. Nothing tangible.

“He it is Who shapes you in the wombs as He pleases. There is no god but He, the Exalted in Might, the Wise.”
Ali Imran (3)
-Verse 6-

Not father, mother, any scientist nor doctor or all of them together are responsible in the making of human body inside the mother’s womb. The only effort in the whole process is the sexual intercourse and Voilà.

What does this even mean? I'm struggling to understand anything youre writing. The only thing required to make a baby is sperm and an egg. But I don't see the relevance?

We cannot and can never control the universe according to our desires. Trillions of stars in billions of galaxies are in perfect order. Every object has its own path and no star comes in the way of other star. Is not that a wonder?

Is this an attempt at fine tuning? Please, fine tuning has been debunked so many times I feel silly for even writing about it. The universe is not fine tuned for us as a species. The fact we can only inhabit an infinitesimally small % of it should be testament to this. Really, this kind of just strikes me as confirmation bias, and seeing what you want to see because you believe what you see is true. And who said anything about controlling the universe? :S

And what do you mean "no star comes in the way of other star", you mean, as in a physical collision?:



Interacting galaxies. The vastness of space means that stars physically colliding is a minute possibility, but it does happen, quite often actually. When you say 'perfect order', I suspect this is because your knowledge of the cosmos is extremely limited, and that your definition of 'perfect order' relates to our own star Sol and the fact that it hasn't as of yet eradicated life on our planet (which it will of course do, if we haven't been eradicated already by some other means).

Also, black holes swallow stars all the time, so I don't know what you mean. Clarify.

In terms of general human behaviour, only a sceptic requires exhausting details on evidences and proofs because he is dependent over his personal standards of pain and pleasure and judge things based on that. How deeply someone is dependent over his own desires that stubborn character he would have. Adamant man denies the facts deliberately by playing a role of an antagonist to disprove any evidence, which may become hindrance in his personal likings and this way he defends his personal preferences.

Waffle.

Evidence is provided to support claims in order to convince people of its legitimacy. I'm sure in your time you've benefitted from this process countless times in the fields of medicine, or in the general living of your life (you're benefitting from this process right now when you type on your PC/laptop).

Being skeptical of claims is a virtue. Blindly believing hogwash because you've been brought up/indoctrianted to believe it is a vice. The latter is an antithesis to the former. The former generates consistent results, the latter generates nothing.

“If the Truth had been in accord with their desires, truly the heavens and the earth, and all beings therein would have been in confusion and corruption! Nay, We have sent them their admonition, but they turn away from their admonition.”
Al Mu'minuun (23)
-Verse 71-

Waffle.

But really, none of what you have posted amounts to anything like evidence that the Quran is true or correct in any way, at least not in comparison to all the other holy books and tomes.