RE: Free Will, Free Won't?
September 18, 2013 at 9:53 am
(This post was last modified: September 18, 2013 at 9:54 am by Zone.)
(September 18, 2013 at 9:04 am)Texas Sailor Wrote: That statement is non-sensical. Give an example of that occuring. One choosing something different because they wanted to.
Do people act differently when they're drunk? If so why do you think that is what has changed?
Quote: That is mere post-hoc conjecture. To say that you could have done differently is no different than saying you could have existed in a different universe.
I exist in the universe/realty I exist within and can exist nowhere else same goes for you.
Quote:Do you refer to your self, are your white blood cells the thing you have in mind, or is it a specific channel of information that occurs in consciousness?
White blood cells have something to do with the immune system?
Quote:If they stopped performing, and you developped bone-marrow cancer, would your conscious sense of self be responsible?
The control we have over our physical body is limited. You can choose a healthy lifestyle to minimize your risk of cancer, that's what you can do with it. If you're a smoker for instance you ought to use your freewill to quit, difficult though it is.
Quote:No, you would be a victem. But those white blood-cells are you, right? [quote]
They are part of your immune system which is part of you? You don't actively control everything in your body it would take too much effort.
[quote]So, to say that the products of your subconscious are examples of free decisions made by YOU, then you are guilty of decieving yourself.
I never claimed that I said there are unconscious physical automatic process that make suggestions. You act upon them.
Quote:Stop at that point, and re-examine what you mean when you refer to YOU, and be honest about the actual source of the thoughts that occur to it.
I can fed the information that I'm feeling hungry and need to eat something. Then I can either act upon it and stuff my face or if I'm on a diet have to put up with it. I can do either which I like.
Quote:Your subconsciousness is you.
The part of me that is beyond conscious control but seeing as I am the conscious part ultimately it's really just something that makes recommendations. You decide what to do with the information fed in.
Quote:Yes, this is a psychological fact. Your kidney's are you as well. Another fact. But neither of these facts assist in anyway when mulling over the concept of free-will which resides in consciousness.
My kidneys are organs in my body they aren't me I'm just using them for a function, well they're being used for me as I have no control over them. I can control my arms and legs and things just fine they're quite useful for doing stuff.