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On "Scholarly Consensus"
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RE: On "Scholarly Consensus"
(September 19, 2013 at 3:09 am)Lion IRC Wrote:
(September 19, 2013 at 2:43 am)Chuck Wrote: ...There is neither evidence for any Abraham..
FALSE. The bible documents the oral history evidence for Abraham and Terah. If you dont like the oral tradition or oral history as evidence/testimony bad luck. The bible documents oral history.

(September 19, 2013 at 2:43 am)Chuck Wrote: ...nor for any monotheistic god whatsoever before 13th century BC.
FALSE. The monotheistic concept of a Sky God predates pagan polytheism. (See Karen Armstrongs book - A History of God.)
You need one first single primitive notion of a divine being before you can go on to develop ideas of there perhaps being MORE THAN ONE.

Quote:Monotheism is perhaps best summed up by the first half of the Muslim profession of faith: "There is no god but God." Simply put, monotheism is the belief that there is one and only one Supreme Being in the universe; typically, such a belief entails the worship of this God. Many people regard the Abrahamic tradition, which gave rise to Judaism, Christianity and Islam, as the first notable instance of monotheism in human history. It is true that Judaism is probably the oldest monotheistic religion that still has a significant number of followers today. However, history tells us of a monotheistic revolution in Egypt that probably predates the authorship of Jewish holy scriptures and definitely predates the unified Kingdom of Israel (circa 1000 B.C.), which allowed Judaism to cultivate its teachings and dogma.

This Egyptian monotheistic revolution arrived under the 18th-dyansty pharaoh named Akhnaton, also known as Amenhotep IV, and his wife, Nefertiti, also known as Nefreteti or Nofretete. Akhnaton and Nefertiti ruled during the 14th century B.C. Nefertiti is well-known to modern scholars because an intriguing, beautiful and well-preserved limestone bust of her was uncovered at Tell el Amarna in 1913. The bust is now part of the Berlin Museum's collection. Yet despite her famous visage, little is known about Nefertiti. One of the most salient facts about her existence is that Nefertiti and her husband promoted a monotheistic belief in an Egyptian god known as Aton.

Aton, or Aten, was a sun god of the Egyptian pantheon, usually depicted in artistic renderings as a solar disc reaching out toward the earth and its inhabitants with many-fingered rays of light. Though the Egyptian religion had traditionally been polytheistic, during his reign, Akhnaton promoted Aton to the lofty position of humankind's only god. According to the pharaoh, Aton was not only the most exalted god among many -- he was the only god that was to be worshipped. Thus, Atonism was one of the first truly monotheistic religions. Akhnaton attempted to impose Atonism on his subjects by using state power to forbid all other forms of worship. However, after Akhnaton's death, Atonism was gradually abandoned by the Egyptian people and mostly forgotten.
http://curiosity.discovery.com/question/atonism-article
That predates the earliest mention of abraham by atleast 1000 years

(September 19, 2013 at 12:19 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Cue "special pleading" in 5...4...3...2...1


"Oh, but the bible is DIFFERENT!"

You are dealing with a total asswipe, Gall.

You remind me of listening to bertrand russels 1927 broadcast of why I am not a christian. Nearly a hundred years old and Christian arguments had hardly changed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdDYvvevLZk
Well worth watching.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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On "Scholarly Consensus" - by DeistPaladin - September 18, 2013 at 9:12 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by MindForgedManacle - September 18, 2013 at 9:50 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 18, 2013 at 10:06 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by DeistPaladin - September 18, 2013 at 11:17 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 18, 2013 at 11:42 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by DeistPaladin - September 19, 2013 at 12:06 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by DeistPaladin - September 19, 2013 at 12:35 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Rayaan - September 19, 2013 at 7:54 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Beta Ray Bill - September 19, 2013 at 8:16 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Faith No More - September 19, 2013 at 8:34 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 12:08 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by DeistPaladin - September 19, 2013 at 12:13 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Doubting Thomas - September 19, 2013 at 5:39 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by max-greece - September 19, 2013 at 5:48 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 12:19 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 1:27 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lion IRC - September 19, 2013 at 2:10 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Anomalocaris - September 19, 2013 at 2:43 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lion IRC - September 19, 2013 at 3:09 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 19, 2013 at 3:48 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by DeistPaladin - September 19, 2013 at 7:48 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Faith No More - September 19, 2013 at 11:28 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by gall - September 19, 2013 at 12:16 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lemonvariable72 - September 19, 2013 at 12:26 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 2:19 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lion IRC - September 19, 2013 at 2:38 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 11:38 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by max-greece - September 19, 2013 at 4:08 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Zone - September 19, 2013 at 7:50 am
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RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Zone - September 19, 2013 at 8:02 am
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RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Faith No More - September 19, 2013 at 10:23 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by max-greece - September 19, 2013 at 8:08 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Tonus - September 19, 2013 at 8:18 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Zone - September 19, 2013 at 10:24 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Faith No More - September 19, 2013 at 10:27 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Zone - September 19, 2013 at 10:28 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by LastPoet - September 19, 2013 at 10:34 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Zone - September 19, 2013 at 10:39 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by LastPoet - September 19, 2013 at 11:03 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Zone - September 19, 2013 at 11:04 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 19, 2013 at 11:14 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Faith No More - September 19, 2013 at 10:43 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by DeistPaladin - September 19, 2013 at 10:52 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by John V - September 19, 2013 at 10:58 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lemonvariable72 - September 19, 2013 at 11:01 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Zone - September 19, 2013 at 11:02 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by max-greece - September 19, 2013 at 11:20 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 12:38 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Statler Waldorf - September 19, 2013 at 5:05 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Beta Ray Bill - September 19, 2013 at 6:24 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Statler Waldorf - September 19, 2013 at 6:43 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Beta Ray Bill - September 19, 2013 at 7:13 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Statler Waldorf - September 19, 2013 at 7:21 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Beta Ray Bill - September 19, 2013 at 7:37 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Cato - September 19, 2013 at 8:07 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Tonus - September 19, 2013 at 7:59 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by MindForgedManacle - September 19, 2013 at 9:35 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by DeistPaladin - September 19, 2013 at 9:39 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 9:35 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 9:45 pm
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RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Captain Colostomy - September 19, 2013 at 10:47 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Cato - September 19, 2013 at 10:48 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Beta Ray Bill - September 19, 2013 at 11:08 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Cato - September 19, 2013 at 11:49 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by MindForgedManacle - September 20, 2013 at 12:48 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Statler Waldorf - September 20, 2013 at 8:38 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lion IRC - September 19, 2013 at 11:52 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Anomalocaris - September 19, 2013 at 11:35 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 11:56 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lemonvariable72 - September 20, 2013 at 1:38 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 20, 2013 at 2:16 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lemonvariable72 - September 20, 2013 at 2:43 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Bad Writer - September 20, 2013 at 2:45 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lemonvariable72 - September 20, 2013 at 3:10 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by MindForgedManacle - September 20, 2013 at 9:58 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Anomalocaris - September 20, 2013 at 11:41 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by MindForgedManacle - September 20, 2013 at 12:46 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Captain Colostomy - September 20, 2013 at 3:17 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lemonvariable72 - September 20, 2013 at 9:42 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Captain Colostomy - September 20, 2013 at 3:10 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Faith No More - September 20, 2013 at 11:28 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by max-greece - September 20, 2013 at 12:06 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Captain Colostomy - September 20, 2013 at 12:55 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Beta Ray Bill - September 20, 2013 at 5:04 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lemonvariable72 - September 20, 2013 at 6:11 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Tonus - September 20, 2013 at 7:30 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lion IRC - September 20, 2013 at 7:23 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 20, 2013 at 5:20 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 20, 2013 at 6:35 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Captain Colostomy - September 20, 2013 at 6:42 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by sarcasticgeographer - September 20, 2013 at 7:29 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Zazzy - September 20, 2013 at 8:04 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lemonvariable72 - September 20, 2013 at 8:06 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 20, 2013 at 7:45 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Mystical - September 20, 2013 at 7:50 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by MindForgedManacle - September 20, 2013 at 9:32 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Captain Colostomy - September 20, 2013 at 9:58 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lemonvariable72 - September 20, 2013 at 10:20 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lion IRC - September 20, 2013 at 8:23 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lemonvariable72 - September 20, 2013 at 9:39 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Mystical - September 20, 2013 at 8:30 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Captain Colostomy - September 21, 2013 at 12:44 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lemonvariable72 - September 21, 2013 at 1:05 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Captain Colostomy - September 21, 2013 at 1:20 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lemonvariable72 - September 21, 2013 at 2:34 am



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