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On "Scholarly Consensus"
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RE: On "Scholarly Consensus"
(September 19, 2013 at 7:54 pm)Rayaan Wrote: So what do you think would constitute an authentic source for actually knowing that Jesus existed?

What about the earliest followers, the earliest writers, and the closest disciples who all testified to his existence? They were just lying about it?

If your answer is yes to the last question, then the next question is, do you really know that they lied?

I don't think it's a matter of knowing, but a matter of which is more likely.

You're creating a false dichotomy, Rayaan. It's entirely possible that these people never even existed and are nothing more than fanciful characters. When looking at historical documents, you have to see what other historians were saying at the time. Someone of the stature that Jesus rises to in the bible would have been written about by many different writers, but all we can find to substantiate Jesus' existence are the bible and a few very questionable external sources.

What appears to be most likely is that either no Jesus existed, or the Jesus that did exist was so vastly different from what the bible describes that it's barely valid to say Christ was based on a real person.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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On "Scholarly Consensus" - by DeistPaladin - September 18, 2013 at 9:12 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by MindForgedManacle - September 18, 2013 at 9:50 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 18, 2013 at 10:06 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by DeistPaladin - September 18, 2013 at 11:17 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 18, 2013 at 11:42 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by DeistPaladin - September 19, 2013 at 12:06 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by DeistPaladin - September 19, 2013 at 12:35 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Rayaan - September 19, 2013 at 7:54 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Beta Ray Bill - September 19, 2013 at 8:16 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Faith No More - September 19, 2013 at 8:34 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 12:08 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by DeistPaladin - September 19, 2013 at 12:13 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Doubting Thomas - September 19, 2013 at 5:39 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by max-greece - September 19, 2013 at 5:48 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 12:19 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 1:27 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lion IRC - September 19, 2013 at 2:10 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Anomalocaris - September 19, 2013 at 2:43 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lion IRC - September 19, 2013 at 3:09 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 19, 2013 at 3:48 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by DeistPaladin - September 19, 2013 at 7:48 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Faith No More - September 19, 2013 at 11:28 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by gall - September 19, 2013 at 12:16 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lemonvariable72 - September 19, 2013 at 12:26 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 2:19 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lion IRC - September 19, 2013 at 2:38 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 11:38 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by max-greece - September 19, 2013 at 4:08 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Zone - September 19, 2013 at 7:50 am
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RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Faith No More - September 19, 2013 at 10:23 am
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RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Tonus - September 19, 2013 at 8:18 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Zone - September 19, 2013 at 10:24 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Faith No More - September 19, 2013 at 10:27 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Zone - September 19, 2013 at 10:28 am
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RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Zone - September 19, 2013 at 11:04 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 19, 2013 at 11:14 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Faith No More - September 19, 2013 at 10:43 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by DeistPaladin - September 19, 2013 at 10:52 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by John V - September 19, 2013 at 10:58 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lemonvariable72 - September 19, 2013 at 11:01 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Zone - September 19, 2013 at 11:02 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by max-greece - September 19, 2013 at 11:20 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 12:38 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Statler Waldorf - September 19, 2013 at 5:05 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Beta Ray Bill - September 19, 2013 at 6:24 pm
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RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Beta Ray Bill - September 19, 2013 at 7:13 pm
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RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Beta Ray Bill - September 19, 2013 at 7:37 pm
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RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Tonus - September 19, 2013 at 7:59 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by MindForgedManacle - September 19, 2013 at 9:35 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by DeistPaladin - September 19, 2013 at 9:39 pm
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RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Cato - September 19, 2013 at 10:48 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Beta Ray Bill - September 19, 2013 at 11:08 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Cato - September 19, 2013 at 11:49 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by MindForgedManacle - September 20, 2013 at 12:48 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Statler Waldorf - September 20, 2013 at 8:38 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lion IRC - September 19, 2013 at 11:52 pm
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RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 11:56 pm
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RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 20, 2013 at 2:16 am
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RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by MindForgedManacle - September 20, 2013 at 9:58 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Anomalocaris - September 20, 2013 at 11:41 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by MindForgedManacle - September 20, 2013 at 12:46 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Captain Colostomy - September 20, 2013 at 3:17 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lemonvariable72 - September 20, 2013 at 9:42 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Captain Colostomy - September 20, 2013 at 3:10 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Faith No More - September 20, 2013 at 11:28 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by max-greece - September 20, 2013 at 12:06 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Captain Colostomy - September 20, 2013 at 12:55 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Beta Ray Bill - September 20, 2013 at 5:04 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lemonvariable72 - September 20, 2013 at 6:11 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Tonus - September 20, 2013 at 7:30 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lion IRC - September 20, 2013 at 7:23 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 20, 2013 at 5:20 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Minimalist - September 20, 2013 at 6:35 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Captain Colostomy - September 20, 2013 at 6:42 pm
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RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lemonvariable72 - September 20, 2013 at 8:06 pm
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RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Captain Colostomy - September 20, 2013 at 9:58 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lemonvariable72 - September 20, 2013 at 10:20 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lion IRC - September 20, 2013 at 8:23 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lemonvariable72 - September 20, 2013 at 9:39 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Mystical - September 20, 2013 at 8:30 pm
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Captain Colostomy - September 21, 2013 at 12:44 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Lemonvariable72 - September 21, 2013 at 1:05 am
RE: On "Scholarly Consensus" - by Captain Colostomy - September 21, 2013 at 1:20 am
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