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About Jesus!
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RE: About Jesus!
(January 18, 2010 at 2:45 am)theVOID Wrote:
(January 18, 2010 at 2:20 am)Minimalist Wrote: There are a hell of a lot of holes in the "Paul" story, too.

Lmao, like the Roman army escorting him to court?



Yeah but I was thinking more of Corinth.

The average xtian will claim that Paul was in Corinth in the 50's and it was a going city with a vibrant jewish community and a shitload of xtians who were causing trouble.

But.

The Roman general Lucius Mummius leveled Corinth in 146 BC after suppressing a revolt. The city remained abandoned for 100 years. In 44 BC, Julius Caesar re-established Corinth (as well as Carthage) as colonies.

However, Greece was a central battlefield for the civil wars between Antony/Octavian and Caesar's assassins and then between Antony and Octavian. Thus, things would not have settled down until peace was established in 27 BC. That does not leave a lot of time for Corinth to grow into a major city before "Paul" allegedly got there. More to the point, in 67 AD Nero decided to dig a canal through the isthmus and was sent 6,000 Jewish p-o-ws by Vespasian who had just re-captured Galilee. But of even more significance is that when Vespasian became emperor he found it necessary to establish a second colony at Corinth http://corinth.sas.upenn.edu/vesp.html which certainly suggests that the original Roman colony was far from a going concern.

A third bit of evidence concerns the Greek geographer Pausanias, who lived at the time of Hadrian and who traveled extensively across Greece. In his entry on Corinth he carefully notes every half-assed shrine and temple in the town in the mid 2d century AD but has nothing to say about any Jews or xtians living there at the time. Hadrian's armies were crushing the remnants of Judaea at this time yet Pausanias has nothing to say about them? How likely is that....unless even as late as 135 AD they were not present in Corinth? Of course, where does that leave fucking "Paul?"
(January 18, 2010 at 7:22 am)LEDO Wrote: Let me put this another way...Did James, known as the brother of Jesus, exist? He wrote an epistle and was written about by Paul, i.e. someone wrote about the brother of Jesus during his lifetime.


And, more to the point, is this not yet another example of xtian wishful thinking. I'm not a Greek language scholar but all this shit is written in Greek and the word associated with James is Adelphotheos. Adelphos means "brother" but "Theos" has many meanings and one of the most common is "god."

http://www.biblepages.web.surftown.se/eo15c.htm

Quote:In old Greek, the word theos had many meanings. It referred to the numerous Greek gods and deities and to "heavenly powers" and "divinity" and "deity" in general (that is, in reference to the ancient Greek idols and their powers). It was also used of worldly rulers such as the Roman emperors (caesars), and of judges and other "authorities".

One does wonder how long a Jew would have lasted in Jerusalem if he walked around calling himself the actual "brother" of "god?"

Then of course, there is the whole idea of symbolism. These people never assume titles, do they? Herr Von Popenfuhrer never calls himself "the Holy Father" does he? There is a whole panoply of titles for religious shits based on Father...mother...sister and brother. Who is to say that what xtians deeply desire to see (an actual blood relative of their godboy) is nothing more than some pompous ass putting on airs?
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About Jesus! - by ib.me.ub - January 13, 2010 at 12:48 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by binny - January 13, 2010 at 1:09 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by Minimalist - January 13, 2010 at 6:38 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by Autumnlicious - January 13, 2010 at 8:03 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by Edwardo Piet - January 17, 2010 at 2:11 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by chatpilot - January 13, 2010 at 3:38 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by Rev. Rye - January 13, 2010 at 5:54 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by ib.me.ub - January 13, 2010 at 9:01 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by chatpilot - January 13, 2010 at 9:06 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by Minimalist - January 13, 2010 at 9:57 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by Rev. Rye - January 13, 2010 at 11:44 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by Minimalist - January 14, 2010 at 2:32 am
RE: About Jesus! - by ib.me.ub - January 14, 2010 at 4:29 am
RE: About Jesus! - by Zen Badger - January 13, 2010 at 9:33 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by lukec - January 13, 2010 at 11:48 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by Autumnlicious - January 14, 2010 at 12:07 am
RE: About Jesus! - by chatpilot - January 14, 2010 at 12:24 am
RE: About Jesus! - by Robpotter - January 14, 2010 at 12:46 am
RE: About Jesus! - by leo-rcc - January 14, 2010 at 4:45 am
RE: About Jesus! - by Violet - January 14, 2010 at 4:52 am
RE: About Jesus! - by leo-rcc - January 14, 2010 at 4:57 am
RE: About Jesus! - by Violet - January 14, 2010 at 5:01 am
RE: About Jesus! - by padraic - January 14, 2010 at 5:12 am
RE: About Jesus! - by Rev. Rye - January 14, 2010 at 6:17 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by chatpilot - January 14, 2010 at 10:14 am
RE: About Jesus! - by Minimalist - January 14, 2010 at 11:44 am
RE: About Jesus! - by chatpilot - January 14, 2010 at 3:15 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by Minimalist - January 14, 2010 at 4:13 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by chatpilot - January 14, 2010 at 5:14 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by padraic - January 14, 2010 at 7:36 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by Minimalist - January 14, 2010 at 7:57 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by chatpilot - January 15, 2010 at 1:06 am
RE: About Jesus! - by ib.me.ub - January 17, 2010 at 8:55 am
RE: About Jesus! - by theVOID - January 17, 2010 at 10:05 am
RE: About Jesus! - by ib.me.ub - January 17, 2010 at 11:18 am
RE: About Jesus! - by theVOID - January 17, 2010 at 11:29 am
RE: About Jesus! - by ib.me.ub - January 17, 2010 at 11:44 am
RE: About Jesus! - by LEDO - January 17, 2010 at 12:52 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by theVOID - January 17, 2010 at 12:54 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by Minimalist - January 17, 2010 at 1:09 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by theVOID - January 17, 2010 at 1:26 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by KichigaiNeko - January 18, 2010 at 1:08 am
RE: About Jesus! - by chatpilot - January 18, 2010 at 1:27 am
RE: About Jesus! - by theVOID - January 18, 2010 at 1:39 am
RE: About Jesus! - by chatpilot - January 18, 2010 at 1:54 am
RE: About Jesus! - by Minimalist - January 18, 2010 at 2:20 am
RE: About Jesus! - by theVOID - January 18, 2010 at 2:45 am
RE: About Jesus! - by Minimalist - January 18, 2010 at 12:49 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by chatpilot - January 18, 2010 at 2:53 am
RE: About Jesus! - by theVOID - January 18, 2010 at 2:57 am
RE: About Jesus! - by LEDO - January 18, 2010 at 7:22 am
RE: About Jesus! - by theVOID - January 18, 2010 at 7:34 am
RE: About Jesus! - by LEDO - January 18, 2010 at 8:01 am
RE: About Jesus! - by theVOID - January 18, 2010 at 8:21 am
RE: About Jesus! - by LEDO - January 18, 2010 at 8:39 am
RE: About Jesus! - by theVOID - January 18, 2010 at 8:59 am
RE: About Jesus! - by LEDO - January 19, 2010 at 7:18 pm
RE: About Jesus! - by Minimalist - January 19, 2010 at 7:50 pm



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