RE: Free Will, Free Won't?
September 23, 2013 at 11:26 pm
(This post was last modified: September 23, 2013 at 11:32 pm by MindForgedManacle.)
(September 19, 2013 at 11:46 am)Zone Wrote: I know all about the subconscious but I'm saying you're mistaken in thinking that the subconscious somehow commands us. We can consciously override an suggestions it gives us with the higher part of our brain function. It's this part of the brain that allows us to have freewill. The lower animals may well lack this ability.
That is the problem with every single attempt to say we have free will (in the libertarian sense). If you're going to suggest some sort of substance (dualism) or higher brain function that is supposed to 'give' us free will, you're not thinking it through enough. If this other substance or higher brain function behaves in determined ways, there is no 'I' 'choosing' what to do, it is simply acting as its nature dictates. But if this substance or higher brain function behaves indeterministically, then there is still no control over it, it's behavior is unpredictable, random, and thus not controlled; it simply acts.
(September 21, 2013 at 4:30 am)gilbertc06 Wrote: As far as people know, they are locked into a biological body. Forget about idealogy or social structures. By the simple fact that people need water to live, there is no true free will.
No concept of free will has ever meant anything like the ability to do anything, like not having biological dependencies.
