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Omniscience Argument Against God's Existence
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RE: Omniscience Argument Against God's Existence
FYI, the fact that you know what the word epistemology means makes me feel more reassured about the future of atheism. Big Grin

Are you familiar with set theory and transfinite arithmetic, btw? I want to develop an argument against God's existence/for atheism but I need someone with some math knowledge.

edit: Found the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vauFcJAnnTY

So what he's claiming (around 3:12) is that there's a set of "unknown unknowns" by definition cannot be known, and you can be certain that you cannot know them (post-correction).

He notes the possible objection that "Unknown unknowns cannot exist for God if God is omniscient", and his response is "Then the set of unknown unknowns will be empty. But even if the set is empty, God would not know it."

As to whether or not such a set can exist, he says (around 4:14) "We cannot rule out their existence, because if they existed, we would not know."

Thus, we cannot verify the existence of this set. Which is itself no big deal, but the fact that we cannot deny it's existence leaves open the possibility that omniscience is incoherent.

He also has a response video defending his argument:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOAF7wGB8pE

Here, he says there must be one unknown unknown (3:07) and that unknown unknown is the status of the set of unknown unknowns.
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RE: Omniscience Argument Against God's Existence - by Ryantology - September 20, 2013 at 11:54 pm
RE: Omniscience Argument Against God's Existence - by bennyboy - September 26, 2013 at 9:55 am
RE: Omniscience Argument Against God's Existence - by bennyboy - September 26, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RE: Omniscience Argument Against God's Existence - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - September 26, 2013 at 11:48 pm
RE: Omniscience Argument Against God's Existence - by bennyboy - September 30, 2013 at 3:19 am
RE: Omniscience Argument Against God's Existence - by Cato - October 1, 2013 at 11:59 pm

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