RE: Lingvogeometry
September 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm
(This post was last modified: September 28, 2013 at 1:16 pm by Monolens.)
(September 27, 2013 at 9:51 pm)genkaus Wrote: Don't read Russian. Sorry.
Anyway, you still haven't shown that these are allegories about moon.
In this case you have to believe me. The link I gave you is the collection of folklore quests about the moon. In text there are many allegories like: bull, horns, milk cup, cheese, bread, plate.
And these quests are pointed to children. Russian children understand those simple allegories, but you – aged man - don’t?
If somebody will ask you the quest like: round white bread coming night time to the sky. You will not be able to understand that the quest is about the moon?
(September 27, 2013 at 9:51 pm)genkaus Wrote: Do better research next time. These hymns are addressed specifically to Ashvins - twin gods symbolizing sunrise and sunset.
You missed a much bigger and more obvious clue here - the repeated use of "two". And most of the allegories here are things that come in pairs. That the prayer was addressed to the skies means nothing - since that's where all the gods supposedly reside.
For sure it is easy to read someone’s comments and argue by it. Did you read Rig-Veda yourself?
If you’d read it you will understand that singing of hymns according to text was done mostly night time. Not in sunset, not in sunrise. There were waiting only for one object, which appears in the night. They were doing fireplaces that time to make worship. If you come to modern India you will see that mostly all festivals take place in the night.
Regarding two objects. I did not miss it. I was waiting for somebody to ask

It is very very easy. They did not see two objects. They were seeing the object itself and its reflection in the water.
Get back to your opinion that Ashvins are sunset and sunrise. How you can logically connect mentioned objects to the sun? The boat for example. Or the horn. Or the ear.
Interesting.
(September 27, 2013 at 9:51 pm)genkaus Wrote: No antagonism here. I just see you reaching for conclusions. I can get behind the idea that there are semantic similarities between ancient texts of different groups. I can even accept that some of their core ideas may appear to be similar and that there would be quite a few recurring elements. All that is to be expected. But reducing it to the simplistic conclusion that "All ancients thought moon was god and anything crescent-shaped was divine" is, frankly, a big leap not supported by logic.
If you will go deeper you will see that this simple answer is universal and correct.
Did you ever think about why the rabbit is the symbol of Easter? Just read this Wiki story about how worldwide cultures separately came to one common conclusion that rabbit is moon animal.
You know why they did so? Because they were seeing themselves the rabbit on the moon. Tell them that this idea is so simple that can be truth

This tradition can be found in every continent.
(September 27, 2013 at 9:51 pm)genkaus Wrote: The one below. The steeper U-shape of the bottle resembles the wishbone more closely than the boat.Agree with you about bottle U-shape. The example was to show how close that shape of boat to the shape of wishbone.
Of the objects given in the text, greater resemblance come from them existing as pairs than from the imaginary "boat-shape". And what he was seeing in the sky was the paired events of sunrise and sunset.
I have to tell you that when I received first result of research I was sure that everything I get is about the sun. It is stated in my book. But I was doubt about U-shape which was appearing in my investigations many times. I have started to think that the allegory of sunrise and the difference of sun level is the origin of such results. I live in Ukraine where the moon is coming in the sky in form of C letter. Thus I could not think that it can be different.
When I went to Sri Lanka, one night I look in the sky and I get the real answer why there so many U-shapes appear. The moon was turned the way it forms U shape. This was a great insight. In one second I understood what was the object which I met during investigation.
The point is that closer to equator the moon is turning during the night. In Sri Lanka it turns up to 90 degrees during one night. So you can see C-shape, U-shape and even “roof” shape there.
In Russian “roof” is translated as “krisha”. You can see the correlation to “crescent” and “Christ”
(September 27, 2013 at 9:51 pm)genkaus Wrote: There is very little phonetic similarity between Moss and Mesyac.
MSS and MSS in both words. It’s not little. It is full compliance in terms of phonetics.
I can add the Hebrew name of Jesus. “Messiah”. Same MSS you can find here.
(September 27, 2013 at 9:51 pm)genkaus Wrote: Further, the "horn" misinterpretation is easily explained by the same word meaning two different things in the same language - a common occurrence in any language.
Sure, in case there is only one misinterpretation. However, there are many examples. It is what is called the correlation. As a scientist, I understand that any correlation can be explained not in terms of accident happening, but in terms of law.
(September 27, 2013 at 9:51 pm)genkaus Wrote: I've seen no reference to this crescent shaped staff. So, no, this statement means nothing.
Please read this text (Exodus 28:36):
And thou shalt make a plate of pure gold, and engrave upon it, like the engravings of a signet: HOLY TO THE LORD.
And thou shalt put it on a thread of blue, and it shall be upon the mitre; upon the forefront of the mitre it shall be.
And it shall be upon Aaron's forehead, and Aaron shall bear the iniquity committed in the holy things, which the children of Israel shall hallow, even in all their holy gifts; and it shall be always upon his forehead, that they may be accepted before the LORD.
This golden plate is usually imaged as a crescent on the head of Aaron.
Becouse in original Hebrew Bible the word which is used to name it is צִּיץ (tseets) and it is translated as wreath, crown, diadem or wings.
All this objects have same shape which is correctly pictured as a crescent:
[img]www.lingvogeometry.org/images/theeth.png[/img]
Did you ever think why priest’s hat – mitra has horned form? Think about it.
![[Image: mitra.png]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=www.lingvogeometry.org%2Fimages%2Fmitra.png)
(September 27, 2013 at 9:51 pm)genkaus Wrote: Sorry, but a rainbow is not a crescent. Your argument would've meant something if god had spoken to Noah when he saw the crescent moon - but doing so with a rainbow signifies nothing.
God told Noah that he will remind god every time when he will see the rainbow. The form of rainbow is very close to the form of crescent:
![[Image: rainbow_crescent.png]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=www.lingvogeometry.org%2Fimages%2Frainbow_crescent.png)
Isn’t it?
By the way, do you know that the Bible is written about the moon from the first words? To hide this fact they had to include the appearance of sun two times into text.
(September 27, 2013 at 10:05 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: Monolens, what current applications exist for the methodology you are using?As the result of my opening, I received two possible applications:
1. Universal translator. The program, which can translate any language to English, for example, without using the dictionary of initial language.
2. The algorithm of compressing the text information 3 times effective then ZIP, RAR algorithms.
Regarding the methodology. It helps to discover human history and properties of ancient stories without breaking of Occam's razor principle.