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Lingvogeometry
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RE: Lingvogeometry
(September 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm)Monolens Wrote: In this case you have to believe me. The link I gave you is the collection of folklore quests about the moon. In text there are many allegories like: bull, horns, milk cup, cheese, bread, plate.
And these quests are pointed to children. Russian children understand those simple allegories, but you – aged man - don’t?
If somebody will ask you the quest like: round white bread coming night time to the sky. You will not be able to understand that the quest is about the moon?

Or you could give the translation. In the translation you provided, there is no indication that those statements are being used as allegories for moon. I'm assuming there is more in the rest that does indicate it.

(September 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm)Monolens Wrote: For sure it is easy to read someone’s comments and argue by it. Did you read Rig-Veda yourself?
If you’d read it you will understand that singing of hymns according to text was done mostly night time. Not in sunset, not in sunrise. There were waiting only for one object, which appears in the night. They were doing fireplaces that time to make worship. If you come to modern India you will see that mostly all festivals take place in the night.
Regarding two objects. I did not miss it. I was waiting for somebody to ask Smile
It is very very easy. They did not see two objects. They were seeing the object itself and its reflection in the water.
Get back to your opinion that Ashvins are sunset and sunrise. How you can logically connect mentioned objects to the sun? The boat for example. Or the horn. Or the ear.
Interesting.

I don't have to read Rigveda in order to know what it says. The hymns you provided as an example of moon-worship are explicitly addressed to the Ashvins. That's not an allegory or a conclusion based on when or where they were sung - that's something given in the hymns themselves.

The next two verses of the hymns - which you so conveniently left out - are:

Like two hands give ye us increasing vigour; like heaven and earth constrain the airy regions.
Asvins, these hymns that struggle to approach you, sharpen ye like an axe upon a whetstone.
These prayers of ours exalting you, O Asvins, have the GrtSamadas, for a laud, made ready.
Welcome them, O ye Heroes, and come bither. Loud may we speak. with brave men, in assembly.

And no, there is no indication that these prayers are, were or even supposed to be said at night. In fact, the ideal time for daily prayers in Hinduism is the crack of dawn - when you are getting ready for the day's work.

Also, if you come to modern India, you'll find that most of the festivals take place during daytime - not night.

And your "object and its reflection" argument doesn't work since the hymns explicitly talk about pairs of things.

And its not my opinion that the Ashvins symbolize sunrise and sunset - that's how they are identified. And once more, try to remember, these objects don't connect to the sun - they are given as pairs of things and therefore connect to paired events.


(September 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm)Monolens Wrote: If you will go deeper you will see that this simple answer is universal and correct.
Did you ever think about why the rabbit is the symbol of Easter? Just read this Wiki story about how worldwide cultures separately came to one common conclusion that rabbit is moon animal.
You know why they did so? Because they were seeing themselves the rabbit on the moon. Tell them that this idea is so simple that can be truth Smile
This tradition can be found in every continent.

What's funny is that neither of the links you gave suggest that the moon-rabbit legend had anything to do with Easter. In fact, the explanation for the Easter rabbit seems to have nothing to do with the moon rabbit.

Truth is pretty simple in both cases. The reason for moon-rabbit legend is because the markings on the moon look like a rabbit. Rabbit being a part of Easter is coincidental and has a completely different explanation.


(September 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm)Monolens Wrote: Agree with you about bottle U-shape. The example was to show how close that shape of boat to the shape of wishbone.

And you ended up showing that it wasn't close at all. If you provide two examples to compare and contrast and the one intended to be the contrast ends up having greater resemblance, whatever "closeness" you were imagining doesn't exist.


(September 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm)Monolens Wrote: I have to tell you that when I received first result of research I was sure that everything I get is about the sun. It is stated in my book. But I was doubt about U-shape which was appearing in my investigations many times. I have started to think that the allegory of sunrise and the difference of sun level is the origin of such results. I live in Ukraine where the moon is coming in the sky in form of C letter. Thus I could not think that it can be different.
When I went to Sri Lanka, one night I look in the sky and I get the real answer why there so many U-shapes appear. The moon was turned the way it forms U shape. This was a great insight. In one second I understood what was the object which I met during investigation.
The point is that closer to equator the moon is turning during the night. In Sri Lanka it turns up to 90 degrees during one night. So you can see C-shape, U-shape and even “roof” shape there.
In Russian “roof” is translated as “krisha”. You can see the correlation to “crescent” and “Christ”

And here's where you made your error. You should've expected the U-symbol to be a recurring motif - as you should've expected the O-symbol. Then you wouldn't be making unjustified leaps like seeing similarity between Christ and crescent.


(September 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm)Monolens Wrote: MSS and MSS in both words. It’s not little. It is full compliance in terms of phonetics.
I can add the Hebrew name of Jesus. “Messiah”. Same MSS you can find here.

Actually, one has MSS while the other has MSC. So, no compliance. And the Hebrew name of Jesus would be Yeshua - not Messiah. Again, no compliance.

(September 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm)Monolens Wrote: Sure, in case there is only one misinterpretation. However, there are many examples. It is what is called the correlation. As a scientist, I understand that any correlation can be explained not in terms of accident happening, but in terms of law.

As a "scientist" you should understand that coincidence is a possible explanation for correlation. Just because two things appear correlated doesn't mean there is any actual causal relation between them.

(September 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm)Monolens Wrote: Please read this text (Exodus 28:36):
And thou shalt make a plate of pure gold, and engrave upon it, like the engravings of a signet: HOLY TO THE LORD.
And thou shalt put it on a thread of blue, and it shall be upon the mitre; upon the forefront of the mitre it shall be.
And it shall be upon Aaron's forehead, and Aaron shall bear the iniquity committed in the holy things, which the children of Israel shall hallow, even in all their holy gifts; and it shall be always upon his forehead, that they may be accepted before the LORD.


This golden plate is usually imaged as a crescent on the head of Aaron.
Becouse in original Hebrew Bible the word which is used to name it is צִּיץ (tseets) and it is translated as wreath, crown, diadem or wings.
All this objects have same shape which is correctly pictured as a crescent:
[img]www.lingvogeometry.org/images/theeth.png[/img]

Did you ever think why priest’s hat – mitra has horned form? Think about it.
[Image: mitra.png]

Actually, from the images I've seen, its imaged in form of a place - round and circular. The shape of those things is better described as a circle and not a crescent. And once again, "horns" don't automatically mean crescent. Once again, you are reaching.


(September 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm)Monolens Wrote: God told Noah that he will remind god every time when he will see the rainbow. The form of rainbow is very close to the form of crescent:
[Image: rainbow_crescent.png]
Isn’t it?

Nope. There is a difference between a semi0circle and a crescent.



(September 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm)Monolens Wrote: By the way, do you know that the Bible is written about the moon from the first words? To hide this fact they had to include the appearance of sun two times into text.

Prove it.
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Lingvogeometry - by Monolens - September 24, 2013 at 2:24 pm
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RE: Lingvogeometry - by Monolens - September 28, 2013 at 2:34 pm
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RE: Lingvogeometry - by Monolens - September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm
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RE: Lingvogeometry - by Monolens - October 3, 2013 at 7:22 am
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RE: Lingvogeometry - by Monolens - October 3, 2013 at 3:12 pm
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RE: Lingvogeometry - by Monolens - October 16, 2013 at 2:35 pm
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RE: Lingvogeometry - by Monolens - October 4, 2013 at 2:31 am
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RE: Lingvogeometry - by Monolens - October 8, 2013 at 1:21 pm
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RE: Lingvogeometry - by Monolens - October 8, 2013 at 1:49 pm
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RE: Lingvogeometry - by Monolens - October 12, 2013 at 2:34 pm
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