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Atheist or really Agnostic
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
(October 1, 2013 at 2:44 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:
(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: To believe that God exists does not require an absolute negation at all.

No one said that it does. What does that even mean?

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: It just needs positive evidence that God exists.

It doesn't even need that.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: So there is no comparison.

Neither theists nor atheists can prove God does or doesn't exist. That's a fair comparison.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: I believe the Holy Bible is true.

I like carrot cake.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: It claims to be from God Almighty.

That doesn't mean it is.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: It proves itself in many ways.

Not in any way that would prove the existence of God, apparently.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The atheists does not have a book which claims to be from their supreme being. It would say "I am God I do not exist"

This is not the way to be taken seriously. We don't believe there is a supreme being.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The Holy Bible is a record of historical events. These events show that God exist.

The Iliad being a record of historic events doesn't make its claims about the Greek gods true.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The atheist has no record of the no God''s actions.

Not believing in God does not necessarily entail believing in 'no God', and it's farcical to request a record of it.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The saved have the witness of the Holy Spirit in them.

Then the Holy Spirit is insufficient to the task of providing the saved with a good argument.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The atheists has the witness of the nobody.

Witnesses are notoriously unreliable.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The existence of the universe is a very strong proof of the existence of its Creator.

This is the fallacy of affirming the consequent.

If the universe, therefore God.
The universe.
Therefore, God.

This is equally as logical as:

If I am Bill Gates, I am rich.
I am rich.
Therefore, I am Bill Gates.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The atheist must try to explain it away.

No need to explain away, largely, we're the ones trying to find out what actually happened. We want to know, whatever the answer is.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: All attempts have failed.

A good argument for not believing in God is that there are hundreds of arguments for the existence of God, and all of them are flawed. That much effort coupled with that much failure tends not to bode well. Not to mention that in real life, we don't prove things are real by arguing they are real, we prove things are real by showing the evidence for them.

Please list all of the hundreds and the refutation.

But even then an absolute negation is not proved by listing some and disproving.

You must disprove them all.
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Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 6:44 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - September 30, 2013 at 6:50 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Bad Wolf - September 30, 2013 at 6:58 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 7:43 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by LastPoet - September 30, 2013 at 7:44 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 7:48 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by LastPoet - September 30, 2013 at 7:57 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 8:16 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - September 30, 2013 at 1:39 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Mister Agenda - October 1, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tonus - October 1, 2013 at 3:16 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Mister Agenda - October 1, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 6:59 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 30, 2013 at 7:01 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - September 30, 2013 at 7:10 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 30, 2013 at 7:20 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 8:00 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - September 30, 2013 at 8:02 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 30, 2013 at 8:04 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Thackerie - September 30, 2013 at 2:09 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 3:06 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 3:09 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 9:48 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - September 30, 2013 at 3:35 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - September 30, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by popeyespappy - September 30, 2013 at 7:33 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 7:41 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by NoraBrimstone - September 30, 2013 at 7:47 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - September 30, 2013 at 7:55 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Psykhronic - September 30, 2013 at 8:06 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by LastPoet - September 30, 2013 at 8:17 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Drich - September 30, 2013 at 8:21 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - September 30, 2013 at 8:33 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by downbeatplumb - September 30, 2013 at 1:22 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 8:23 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 30, 2013 at 8:24 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 8:26 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 8:32 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Psykhronic - September 30, 2013 at 8:50 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Jackalope - September 30, 2013 at 11:59 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 12:02 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Jackalope - September 30, 2013 at 12:05 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 12:20 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Angrboda - September 30, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Kayenneh - September 30, 2013 at 1:15 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 1:28 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Minimalist - September 30, 2013 at 1:19 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 30, 2013 at 1:42 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by popeyespappy - September 30, 2013 at 3:18 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Searching4truth - September 30, 2013 at 8:04 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Lemonvariable72 - September 30, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - September 30, 2013 at 3:52 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - September 30, 2013 at 4:06 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Silver - September 30, 2013 at 4:00 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 4:14 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Silver - September 30, 2013 at 4:20 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by NoraBrimstone - September 30, 2013 at 4:23 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by popeyespappy - September 30, 2013 at 4:29 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pocaracas - September 30, 2013 at 5:32 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 6:13 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by NoraBrimstone - September 30, 2013 at 6:31 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pocaracas - October 1, 2013 at 4:49 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 7:22 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 7:58 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - October 1, 2013 at 8:18 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pocaracas - October 1, 2013 at 8:54 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 2:12 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Crossless1 - October 1, 2013 at 2:22 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 2:54 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Beta Ray Bill - September 30, 2013 at 5:43 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Rahul - September 30, 2013 at 7:10 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Beta Ray Bill - September 30, 2013 at 8:19 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Minimalist - September 30, 2013 at 8:20 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Lemonvariable72 - September 30, 2013 at 9:30 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Airyaman - September 30, 2013 at 9:56 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 10:06 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Airyaman - September 30, 2013 at 10:10 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Whateverist - September 30, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Jackalope - September 30, 2013 at 10:46 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Whateverist - September 30, 2013 at 10:47 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tonus - October 1, 2013 at 5:50 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 8:03 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 8:14 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 8:19 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 8:22 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - October 1, 2013 at 8:24 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 8:26 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - October 1, 2013 at 8:35 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 8:57 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - October 1, 2013 at 9:09 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 9:43 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 8:27 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 8:28 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Bad Wolf - October 1, 2013 at 8:04 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 8:20 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Airyaman - October 1, 2013 at 8:30 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 9:12 am
Re: Atheist or really Agnostic - by NoraBrimstone - October 1, 2013 at 9:32 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 10:34 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - October 1, 2013 at 10:36 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Faith No More - October 1, 2013 at 10:45 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Whateverist - October 1, 2013 at 9:47 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Lemonvariable72 - October 1, 2013 at 10:41 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Searching4truth - October 1, 2013 at 11:10 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 11:31 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Crossless1 - October 1, 2013 at 11:42 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Beta Ray Bill - October 1, 2013 at 12:11 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 2:04 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 2:13 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 2:15 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Lemonvariable72 - October 1, 2013 at 2:34 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 12:24 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Minimalist - October 1, 2013 at 12:45 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Fidel_Castronaut - October 1, 2013 at 12:25 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Beta Ray Bill - October 1, 2013 at 12:40 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 1:52 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Kayenneh - October 1, 2013 at 1:58 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 2:17 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 2:06 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 3:02 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 3:08 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 3:10 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - October 1, 2013 at 3:15 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 3:23 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 3:42 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 3:43 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 3:49 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - October 1, 2013 at 3:55 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Minimalist - October 1, 2013 at 3:49 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Minimalist - October 1, 2013 at 3:52 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 4:09 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Crossless1 - October 1, 2013 at 4:16 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 4:40 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - October 1, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Bad Wolf - October 1, 2013 at 4:50 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 10:04 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by xpastor - October 1, 2013 at 4:54 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 5:41 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 6:21 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 7:45 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 2, 2013 at 12:51 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Lemonvariable72 - October 2, 2013 at 1:24 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - October 2, 2013 at 1:16 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Kayenneh - October 2, 2013 at 7:41 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 2, 2013 at 10:09 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by LastPoet - October 2, 2013 at 10:13 am

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