This is like playing whac-a-mole. I smash down one bad argument and another one pops right up.
Strength. Might. Power. Force. Potency. Those are the concepts by which these synonyms are related. There is not relation to the sky - much less moon. A bull is one of the strongest domesticated animals. And that's why the bull is used as a metaphor for strong or mighty.
Ofcourse there is a harvest season. The Sinhalese new year starts with a harvest season.
I do accept the evidence - that both sun and moon are common motifs in Srilankan traditional art. The sun is depicted with a face on it and the moon with a rabbit on it. If you recall, I've never actually denied the recurrence of the moon-rabbit motif. I just said that it has nothing to do with Easter. Also depicting sun with a face and moon with a rabbit doesn't mean they regard moon as a god.
And denied. There is no moon nature of the elephant.
Actually, the lion's face is closer to the sun than the moon. As evidenced by its prominent yellow colored mane representing the rays of sunlight. Also, there is too little phonetic similarity between luna, lev, alpha and elephant to mean anything.
All you've shown is that the sun, moon and stars motif is very common. Proving that they worshiped moon as one true god is a whole other deal.
Bowing down symbolizes submission - not the crescent. It is a symbol of accepting that you are lower than the person you are bowing down to. Which is a common feature in all religions and which is why the practice is so prevalent. No crescents or moons involved anywhere.
As for divine symbolism, once again, sun, moon and stars are very common symbols associated with any religious art. That does not signify moon-worship.
Its etymology also indicated a full circular closure.
Actually, the most famous gods in Rigveda are Agni (fire) and Indra (Rain-giver). They are the ones that feature most prominently in most of the Mandalas. Soma - the moon god - features only in one mandala. Rigveda deifies everything. Moon being one of the deities is nothing special.
Because they are not associated with the moon. The only actual association here is between Rudra and Soma - both of whom are mentioned together in Rigveda. Which is why Rudra is often pictured with a moon in his hair.
Shiva is the same entity as Rudra.
Krishna doesn't have a crescent on his head - he has a peacock feather. And he is depicted with cows because he was raised as a cowherd. Nothing to do with moon.
Vishnu, once again, has no connection to the moon and does not have crescents in his hand or head.
Laksmi is not a moon goddess. She is the goddess of wealth, health and good fortune. Again, no connection to the moon.
There are many different explanation for Ganesha's single tusk, only one of which involves a moon and in it the moon is identified as an offender who gets cursed to disappear one night every month.
Kali is identified as goddess of time or death and none of her weapons refer to the moon.
That's not a Hindu head-dress. Sorry, but Hindus don't put moon on their heads and would laugh at the suggestion that they do.
Nope. One is curved and the other is conical. And Maize is MZ and Mesyac is MSC. No phonetic similarity either,
That's interesting. Apparently all migratory bird fly in the wedge pattern. Birds like pelicans, ducks, geese and so on. So there should be no reason to single out the cranes.
And yet, the Eagle has nothing to do with the moon. Let that sink in. The holy bird of Roman Empire has no connection to the moon.
By the way, none of the given pictures show either a peacock or a crescent. That's your standard rooster weather-vane top.
Try improving your understanding.
There is no goddess called Batrakali in the Hindu pantheon. I can't find any festival anywhere called "Velinkucham". And there is no village by the name of "Karana" in Kerala - where this documentary supposedly takes place.
All this leads me to conclude that at best, the shown festival is a local event - not an annual Indian religious festival.
There is no actual fish in the Chinese folktale. And the fisherman on the moon is a clever allegory for what causes tides. Again, neither has anything to do with god.
Then why did you state otherwise?
Neither of those gestures are related to the moon in any shape or form. That particular combination of hand gestures is called Vitarka Mudra - symbolizing teaching and intellectual discourse.
He's not sleeping, he's meditating. Which is done during day. No connection to moon here either.
First of all, this story makes no sense. Second of all, I'm not seeing Buddha in this. So, how is it supposed to prove that Buddha is moon?
(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: There are lots of mighty animals. But in oldest texts give complete pictures that bulls where somehow connected to the sky.
Your version was that Asvins are sunset and sunrise. Both this phenomenon are happening in the sky.
Mighty, air, bull – gather these concepts. As they are gathered by Sanskrit word “vrsni”. What object can be described by these three concepts? Your opinion?
Strength. Might. Power. Force. Potency. Those are the concepts by which these synonyms are related. There is not relation to the sky - much less moon. A bull is one of the strongest domesticated animals. And that's why the bull is used as a metaphor for strong or mighty.
(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: In tropical Asia there are no harvest seasons. Fruits are growing all year long. Rice is harvested 4 times a year and harvest time depends on seeding time.
Ofcourse there is a harvest season. The Sinhalese new year starts with a harvest season.
(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: Regarding given flag. It is interesting if you will accept my evidence.
This is a flag of Central province of Sri Lanka. You can see there elements of modern Sri Lankan flag and moon symbol with rabbit inside. This motif is very common in Sri Lanka.
I do accept the evidence - that both sun and moon are common motifs in Srilankan traditional art. The sun is depicted with a face on it and the moon with a rabbit on it. If you recall, I've never actually denied the recurrence of the moon-rabbit motif. I just said that it has nothing to do with Easter. Also depicting sun with a face and moon with a rabbit doesn't mean they regard moon as a god.
(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: Last is the coin of Sri Lanka with its symbols: moon rabbit, lion and elephant.
Moon nature of elephant was already mentioned.
And denied. There is no moon nature of the elephant.
(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: The lion comes also correct as LioN is one of the ancient moon allegory.
In Russian “LuNa” means “moon”. “lion” in Russian is “LeV”. Remember that “aLPHa” means “bull”.
eLePHant was already mentioned.
Lion was connected with moon because his crescent like hair.
Actually, the lion's face is closer to the sun than the moon. As evidenced by its prominent yellow colored mane representing the rays of sunlight. Also, there is too little phonetic similarity between luna, lev, alpha and elephant to mean anything.
(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: Back to flag:
The emblems of the Empire, the State and the People were combined on a flag which can be qualified to be the national flag. Such a flag was the ira handa maha kodiya (sun, moon [and stars] great flag) of the Hatara Korale Disawa.
You can read more there. I have proved my declaration.
All you've shown is that the sun, moon and stars motif is very common. Proving that they worshiped moon as one true god is a whole other deal.
(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: “to bow down” means to make a bowed/bended figure. This is regard to the crescent – the oldest “god” of humanity. That is why in every religion there is practice to bow down during praying.
And etymology that you refer to is not 100% according to Wiki:
[i] Arabic مسجد (masjid), meaning "place of worship" or "prostration in prayer", either from Nabataean masgĕdhā́ or from Arabic سجد (sajada), meaning "to bow down in prayer" or "worship", probably ultimately from Aramaic sĕghēdh.
Muslims copy their “divine symbol” in every possible way. They wear special hats, they grow crescent like beards and so on. I know for sure why they do that. If you are familiar with neuro-linguistic programming, you can understand also what is the reason of such hypersymbolism.
Bowing down symbolizes submission - not the crescent. It is a symbol of accepting that you are lower than the person you are bowing down to. Which is a common feature in all religions and which is why the practice is so prevalent. No crescents or moons involved anywhere.
As for divine symbolism, once again, sun, moon and stars are very common symbols associated with any religious art. That does not signify moon-worship.
(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: We probably use different googlesClosed full circle is the crown. The main difference of diadem is it’s semicircle shape.
Its etymology also indicated a full circular closure.
(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: I have told you that if you want to make your own opinion – read the originals.
The most famous god in Rig-Veda is Soma. Its moon nature no doubted even by traditional researchers.
Actually, the most famous gods in Rigveda are Agni (fire) and Indra (Rain-giver). They are the ones that feature most prominently in most of the Mandalas. Soma - the moon god - features only in one mandala. Rigveda deifies everything. Moon being one of the deities is nothing special.
(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: Look at pictures of other “non-moon” gods. They all filled with moon symbolic:
Shiva which is mostly imaged with moon in hair and runs on the bull Nandi.
Krishna which usually has crescent on his head and comes surrounded by cows:
Rudra with crescent in hair and on the bull:
Vishnu – crescent on head and moon symbols in hands:
Lakshmi is moon goddess according to texts. Her symbol is money (mooney)
Ganesh comes with one tusk and other moon symbolics:
Kali – night goddess with sickle, bow, shield – moon symbols:
Than how the religion, where every god is associated with the moon by one or another way, can be not a moon religion?
Because they are not associated with the moon. The only actual association here is between Rudra and Soma - both of whom are mentioned together in Rigveda. Which is why Rudra is often pictured with a moon in his hair.
Shiva is the same entity as Rudra.
Krishna doesn't have a crescent on his head - he has a peacock feather. And he is depicted with cows because he was raised as a cowherd. Nothing to do with moon.
Vishnu, once again, has no connection to the moon and does not have crescents in his hand or head.
Laksmi is not a moon goddess. She is the goddess of wealth, health and good fortune. Again, no connection to the moon.
There are many different explanation for Ganesha's single tusk, only one of which involves a moon and in it the moon is identified as an offender who gets cursed to disappear one night every month.
Kali is identified as goddess of time or death and none of her weapons refer to the moon.
(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: Hindus have putted the moon on their heads and laugh with us who cannot understand this simple allegory.
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It is very easy. If you want to hide something put it in most visible place. Think about it.
That's not a Hindu head-dress. Sorry, but Hindus don't put moon on their heads and would laugh at the suggestion that they do.
(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: Corn is not shaped like horn? If you don’t accept this similarity sure you cannot accept other ones.
Remember that corn is also "maize" in English? MaiZe = MeSyaC.
Nope. One is curved and the other is conical. And Maize is MZ and Mesyac is MSC. No phonetic similarity either,
(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: No, cranes don’t form different patterns. They fly in wedge only, as it is most effective model. Scientists have discovered that this pattern saves the energy of birds because they fly in turbulent flow produced by heading fliers.
People where observed this behavior thousands years. Don’t you think they have also explained it somehow?
That's interesting. Apparently all migratory bird fly in the wedge pattern. Birds like pelicans, ducks, geese and so on. So there should be no reason to single out the cranes.
(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: This is why eagle is the holy bird of Roman empire and peacock is used in Europe where we usually used to see crescents or crosses:
And yet, the Eagle has nothing to do with the moon. Let that sink in. The holy bird of Roman Empire has no connection to the moon.
By the way, none of the given pictures show either a peacock or a crescent. That's your standard rooster weather-vane top.
(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: You can watch it in this video 35 min. 11 sec. The name of festival is Velinkucham as I understood from video. It is happening for one of Indian goddess Batrakali. They push the crane around the temple 365 times. I was really surprised that the name of village where it takes place is “karana”
Try improving your understanding.
There is no goddess called Batrakali in the Hindu pantheon. I can't find any festival anywhere called "Velinkucham". And there is no village by the name of "Karana" in Kerala - where this documentary supposedly takes place.
All this leads me to conclude that at best, the shown festival is a local event - not an annual Indian religious festival.
(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: In the given story the fish-moon allegory is played out. The fish, which became the moon. As it is allegory you will never find straight information why it is connected.
For more examples which can be found quickly you can check this Chinese folk story.
And, by the way, the logo well known for you:
The fisherman is on the moon. As a marketing specialist I can assure you that everything that looks accidental in marketing is the hard considered work by many specialists. Especially it concerns Steven Spielberg.
There is no actual fish in the Chinese folktale. And the fisherman on the moon is a clever allegory for what causes tides. Again, neither has anything to do with god.
(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: So it is.
Then why did you state otherwise?
(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: Look at this Buddha famous mudra. He is showing full moon by up hand and young moon by down hand (boat=budha).
Neither of those gestures are related to the moon in any shape or form. That particular combination of hand gestures is called Vitarka Mudra - symbolizing teaching and intellectual discourse.
(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: To confirm its moon nature Buddha is even sleeping on most sculptures. Sleeping is night state when moon rises.
He's not sleeping, he's meditating. Which is done during day. No connection to moon here either.
(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: Of course nobody from priests will never tell you that Buddha is the moon. How they collect money after?
That is why they tell many stories about the Buddha. Some are even straightly connected to moon, but people are so foolish that even this aiming they don’t understand.
On the mountain near the cave are two human monk and the farmer. - Why are you smiling ? - Asks one another .
- Well, I admire the moon.
- What you admire?
- Moon - monk raises his finger to the moon, but his companion did not even raise his head.
- What is the Moon? - asks the farmer
- Yes, here it is - surprised monk - right in front of you, the yellow one.
- Yellow? It is necessary to tell someone .
After half an hour around the first monk gathers the crowd.
- Oh, Guru , tell us about the moon - timidly asks the delegate from the crowd.
- What is there to tell? Raise your head and see for yourself .
Someone, keeping an eye on the monk's devotees, hastily scratches on the scroll : "One has only to lift his head - eyes open and moon, yellow circle on the black sky ... "
- What are you writing this? - warily asks Monk
- Someone has to keep teaching for the children, and if not me, then who?
- What is the teaching ? SIMPLY raise your HEAD !
"To raise your head - not difficult, its simple ... " - Re- starts scribbling peasant, but the monk has his fist in the bottom of the chin and before the eyes of the writer flashes yellow spot.
- What is it , Master? ?
- The Moon .
- God, I saw the moon. I saw the moon! The moon!
- He saw the moon - the crowd worries and starts to dance around moonviewer who rubs his chin.
Monk, meanwhile, waving to the whole thing by hand and walks away, admiring the full moon.
Two thousand years later someone reads "lunar tantra" and sighs: "Is it having sense - he thinks. - At the time, the Guru was there and could always just help you the right time. Some, however, argue that one book is enough and that they see with their own eyes the moon every night, but who can you believe these days?
First of all, this story makes no sense. Second of all, I'm not seeing Buddha in this. So, how is it supposed to prove that Buddha is moon?