RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
October 2, 2013 at 3:49 am
(This post was last modified: October 2, 2013 at 3:50 am by Esquilax.)
(October 1, 2013 at 3:40 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: I did answer this at least twice already.
It's not our fault your answers were fallacious.
Quote:If there are multiple believe or damned choices, then the atheist and agnostic is damned if any are true.
So there is no difference in Pascal's wager for atheists and agnostics.
Whoa whoa whoa, that's not true at all! You're presupposing that if a god exists, he or she or it must be one that we already know about, and you have absolutely no reason to think that. Hell, even if it is a god conforming to a current or past religious standard, you can't confirm that anything written about that god is true or accurate!
We have no reason to think that anyone has the correct account of a god or afterlife right now; there's an infinity of possible gods, because we've already detached ourselves from thinking about things in terms of reality, here. What if it's an atheist god, who allows nonbelievers into paradise while punishing believers of all stripes? Or a particularly charitable hindu god who allows atheists into heaven but not christians? What if it's an anti-christian god, or a god who only allows people who can pass an intelligence test into heaven, or a god who won't let you in if you're wearing blue, or a patron god of rectal prolapses? How can you tell?
Pascal's Wager assumes the wagerer's god is the only one on offer, but as I've said in the past, the only thing limiting the number of gods we can posit is our imagination, and you can't exclude any of them, because you've never been dead to confirm. A realistic Pascal's Wager involves infinite risk wagered on infinite odds for everyone, no matter their beliefs.
Quote:For the believer of God, a choice must be made. There is only one clear choice. So the believer again has no difference in Pascal's wager.
If you continue spouting this after today, you're either an idiot or a liar.
(October 2, 2013 at 3:47 am)Lion IRC Wrote: Don't thank me. It's all there in the bible (which atheists around here brag they know better than Christian forum members.)
They do. They just don't have any need to spin it to always look good no matter what like you guys do.
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