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I understand that gods are not bulls. It is a metaphor for crescent moon. That is why it is connected with air. They have seen bull horns in the air and logically connected it.
You must understand that ancient people were living in very simple society and were having very simple conceptual apparatus. Something that looks very simple and Apopheniс for modern people, 10 thousand years ago was kind of highest mathematics and complicated logic.
If you will read RigVeda by fresh mind you will not see there difficult philosophy or extra unusual concepts. All hymns are relatively same. They sing how they fire the bonfire, make simple rice cakes, press some narcotic weed juice, mix it with milk, drink and sing about the reality that they see around. As this happens mostly by night, they make verses about moon and stars using very simple allegories as moon-bull, milky way, flying horses, wheel or boat in the sky and so on.
Same motifs you can find in any religion or culture. That time people did not have wide list of surrounding objects. Cows, horses, birds, boats, simple huts, bows, cups, fishing nets. That is all they have that time. So if they see the moon how should they explain its nature? Only in terms available around.
They did not have cars, computers, internet, paper, pens, houses different food. Only simple thing give by nature. It is for you the skeleton of dead cow is nothing interesting as you have seen it many times during study. But for that people it was the highest pick of engineering art. They were studying from the nature about how things work and have transferred these knowledge in only available terminology.
That is why Russian "KoRaBl" (ship) sounds same as "KoRoVa" (cow) because the frame of ship is constructively same as a frame of animal skeleton.
Just for your reference "caravel" is coming from the name of simple boat covered with cow leather.
If you want to become real researcher, to understand ancient thoughts you must start thinking in terms of that time and with concepts available that time.
Watch this movie. There is still that kind of people on our earth. They have cow which is Alpha and Omega of their lifes. It gives milk and blood for drinking, urine as antiseptic, shit as construction material and fuel, skin and bones as art and again construction materials, meat as food. All they have gives only one horned animal. Is it not a point to call it divine?

What a load of crap.

Rigveda is pretty simple - there are no hidden meanings or any secret references to moon. Where there is a reference to the moon, it says so explicitly. They revered cows because it was a useful animal - not because they could contort their imaginations to make it look like a moon. They regarded bull as a might animal, air as a mighty element and gods as mighty entities - so they used the word meaning "mighty" to describe them all. There are no allegories or subtle moon references.

Except it is celebrated in full moon day and the moon is connected with rabbit according to their own arts.

Except, the full-moon celebration is because of the lunar calendar, the festival is celebrated in many other countries and there is no rabbit associated with the festival.

But they did. The flags and coins I have showed are very ancient. So why ancient people were putting rabbit on the flag if it not important?

Because the moon looks like it has a rabbit on it and it was a clever way of depicting the moon. Which is why it's found in some of the art - though not on national icons.

Hah! Don't you find it funny? 'V' shape and 'U' shape as well as dot are the shapes of crescent and circle moon. So why did they put these shapes on forehead?
Regarding Ganesh Purana it was a quote from Wikipedia. You can claim them that they are wrong!

I find it funny that you think that. 'V' and 'U' are not crescent shapes - nor are they meant to symbolize it. And the same goes for the dots.
And I couldn't find your 'quote' anywhere on Wikipedia. So only you are in the wring here.

bhālacandra means that Ganesh is a deity with moon on his forehead. If it was said that he has rectangle on his head it could be hard to connect it with moon. But he has MOON of forehead, so it means he is connected to the moon somehow. Can you explain how? Why he is having that moon there?

Because his father has moon on his head.

Ganesha is the son of Shiva. Shiva is commonly depicted as having a moon on his head. That feature carried over to Ganesha. Which is why he is depicted as having a moon on his head. No need to invoke any lunar deities.

Do you really believe that there was a person with head of elephant who was fighting by his tusks while riding a mouse or he was able to throw his tusk on the moon? Can't you understand that these are only allegories. It is metaphoric description of some real stuff seen by people that time. What did they see to come up with such allegories???

I don't believe it - but there are others who do. I'd say that the people who wrote this stuff believed it as well. They were not coming up with allegories, they were expanding on myths already present.

Where did you get that albino elephants are pure white? According to wiki they are:
A white elephant (also albino elephant) is a rare kind of elephant, but not a distinct species. Although often depicted as snow white, their skin is normally a soft reddish-brown, turning a light pink when wet. They have fair eyelashes and toenails.

Did you read your own post? The wiki says the exact same thing as I did. Albino elephants are called white elephants and are depicted as pure white in myths, legends and art while not being so in real life.

I think you did not read Quran and that is why don’t remember.
Please refer to this wikipage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_of_the_Elephant
Abraha, incensed, launched an expedition of forty thousand men against the Kaaba at Mecca, led by a white elephant named Mahmud (and possibly with other elephants - some accounts state there were several elephants, or even as many as eight) in order to destroy the Kaaba. Several Arab tribes attempted to fight him on the way, but were defeated.
According to the Qur'an, the next day, as Abraha prepared to enter the city, a dark cloud of small birds appeared. The birds carried small rocks in their beaks, and bombarded the Ethiopian forces, who fled in panic. Abraha was seriously wounded and he retreated towards Yemen but died on the way. However, the animals of Abraha's army were not killed, and the tribes saw this as a sign of the holiness of the Kaaba.
Oops. Birds are again there

So, in this context, the elephant was opposing god and therefore not regarded as god's animal. Oops.

Why not? You think that there will be no connection?
LuPus - wolf. An animal which first association is that wolves roar on the moon. Did you know it?
Actually wolves don't do that. They are connected to the moon as they have crescent shape in their exterior. Ancient people recognized that and quickly connected two concepts on similar shape basis.

Wrong. If that was the association with moon, then they'd be associated with new moon and not full moon. Do better research next time.

LeProsy etymology comes from PIE root *lep- which means "scale", "good"
GooD = GoD, Scales have well recognizable crescent shape.

That stretch is too ridiculous to even dignify with a reply.

LaVatory - etymology come from PIE root *leu(e)- which means "to wash". It is connected with water which usually comes from sky. Remember that Messiah means "watered", Mosas - "taken from water" and Christian ritual of baptizing is putting somebody into water.
LaVa comes from same root "to wash"
You can add more words and ensure that all examples will come to previously mentioned semantic core.

But they don't have the same semantic core. There is no moon associated with lavatories.

As I have told you before. I was also thinking that both circle and semicircle are about the sun. But deeper research with reading myself originals of all available religious text gave me another picture. Mostly all of interpretations given by modern historians are wrong. And they are wrong due to political reasons. For 2 thousand years Christian "sunny" religion fights with eastern "moon" religion Islam. What do you think if historians will inform that they have researched the books and found that most world religions are lunar. First, who would believe them, second, it was very risky, same as it is risky now.
How will Americans fight against Muslims if they understood that they have completely same roots of beliefs?

Don't be ridiculous. Both have the same root beliefs - both religions are Abrahamic religions. And both are about the sun. Its the Muslims who've misinterpreted the eclipse sun for the crescent moon.

Ok. There some quests in RigVeda. Interesting how you gonna explain it:
Formed with twelve spokes, by length of time, unweakened, rolls round the heaven this wheel of
during Order. Herein established, joined in pairs together, seven hundred Sons and twenty stand, O Agni.

A prayer made to Agni - god of fire - referencing his role as the Sun. Which is, after all, made of fire. Also, the wheel is a common motif depicted time - inexorably moving forward while being cyclical in nature - and sun is used to keep time.

Shiva is riding the bull Nandi. His symbol is कौमुदी kaumudī - crescent. Which is the cup that symbolizes Soma drink. Also he holds triśūla - tree spear. It is the crescent on stick.
He has snake around his neck. Snake is famous symbol of god/devil in many traditions. Guess why? Just remind what uniqueness have snakes.

Every snake has special kind of tongue - spitted one. People have seen these kind of "horns" and count it as a god symbol. In other traditions snake is the symbol of devil. As you know devil is imaged as horned gay with trisula in his hand and spitted tongue in his mouth.

So Shiva and Rudra, who is his avatar are fully connected to moon symbols. Why we cannot count them as lunar deities?

Because you are wrong on every count except one.

Rudra (Shiva) and Soma (moon god) are mentioned together in Rigveda - that is the only reason for the one moon motifs seen in his depiction - the crescent.

Kaumadi does not mean crescent. It does not mean a cup of Somaras. Shiva holds a trident - which is not a crescent on a stick. People also don't reverse snkaes because of their tongues. They are holy within Hinduism and evil within Christianity - completely different. Thus, snakes are not connected to the moon. Which is why, Shiva is not a lunar deity.

It is stated in some Krishnaism text available in Russian. Cant find English source.

Then you read a mistranslation.

But in The Bhagavad Gita Krishna itself says: "Among the stars I'm the moon".

Try not to quote-mine. The full quote is "Of the Ādityas I am Viṣṇu, of lights I am the radiant sun, of the Maruts I am Marīci, and among the stars I am the moon."

In Krishnaism book Chaitanya Charitamrita there are many allegories of Krishna as moon:
"The face of Kṛṣṇa is the king of all moons, and the body of Kṛṣṇa is the throne. Thus the king governs a society of moons.
"Kṛṣṇa has two cheeks that shine like glowing gems. Both are considered full moons. His forehead is considered a half moon, and the spot of sandalwood there is considered a full moon.
"His fingernails are many full moons, and they dance on the flute in His hands. Their song is the melody of that flute. His toenails are also many full moons, and they dance on the ground. Their song is the jingling of His ankle bells.
"Kṛṣṇa's face is the enjoyer king. That full-moon face makes His shark-shaped earrings and lotus eyes dance. His eyebrows are like bows, and His eyes are like arrows. His ears are fixed on the string of that bow, and when His eyes spread to His ears, He pierces the hearts of the gopīs.
You can see same allegories that were used in Rig Veda about Ashvins: cheeks, eyebrows, eyes, ears and so on.

And you take this poetic description to literally mean that Krishna was the moon? Try reading the full text. You'll find many other "allegories" comparing him to sky, sun, stars, lotuses, jewels and so on. Picking and choosing one part while ignoring the rest does not magically prove your point.

So why do you say he is not connected to the cow? He is a cow boy. Jesus was also born in the place full of horned animals. And he is a cowherd too.
As Krishna it self is an allegory. What can be coded by such allegory? Or you believe there was a real man with blue skin flying between stars?

He is connected to the cows - but not to moon. And I don't remember Jesus being a cowherd - I thought he was a carpenter.

And no, Krishna is not an allegory. People actually did believe and do believe in the dark-skinned god. Though, I'm not sure where you are getting this "flying in the stars" crap from.

It symboloses him as an cowherd. And again comes to cow. Sky cow, as Krishna is god.

No, if doesn't. Cowherds don't carry flutes. The flute is not related to cows.

This coin is Indian silver drahma of greek-bakrian king Agafokla (190-180 BC)
It is stated in Russian part of wiki: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%8...0%BD%D0%B0

You should read your own wiki more carefully.

Indian silver drachma Greco-Bactrian king Agathocles ( 190 - 180 BC. e. ) Adults: (right), Vasudeva Krishna in a decorated helmet with earrings and a vase holding a sword and a disc chakra . Caption Brahmi : Rajani Agathuklayasa "King Agathocles" . Arranged: (from left) Balarama , patterned in a helmet with earrings, a sword, holding a mace in his right hand and a plow in the left. Greek inscription: Basilios Agathocleous "King Agathocles" .

No mention of crescents or horns anywhere.

As money, tits, coconut and wheel are round shape they can be combined on this logic basis. Lotus, bow, shell, cup have semicircle shape and it can be connected also.
The question is why Lakshmi symbols have so many references to this two shapes?

Have you even looked at these things. Tits and coconuts are not round. Lotus and cups are round - but I'm not seeing any cups. Bows are not semicircular - also, they're not connected to Lakshmi and shells don't fit any of the given categories.

Further, in this case, the common elements are lotus, money, coconut and shell - all of which have different symbolic meaning that have nothing to do with their respective shapes.

Again same question. Why so many symbols of same crescent like shape? Coincidence?

Same answer. Most are not crescents. And those that are are not connected to moon.

Ok. For Hindus hat I meant this one:

Also not a Hindu hat. That guy is a Sikh. Sikhism is a different religion and I'm still laughing at you.

Looking at this person in such kind of hat, firstly your brain analyses the shape of object and then color set. After it makes mathematic calculation and “understands” what you actually see. So having a crescent in your image is like to have hacking tool for the brains of other people. This shape is perceived by our “biocomputers” as a special command code (god) meaning that next coming important data.

Nobody is perceiving a crescent here. That turban is shaped nothing like a crescent.

Moon-god conception is first, basic and prevailing conception for humanity.

Bullshit.

Religion uses this “cheat code” to make free access to you neurotic channels, to record the data inside your brain without your perceived control.
Marketing is using same instruments. Look around you. What kinds of successful company logos you see around?
Nike (Nose).
Reebok (Rybka (fish in russian), logo forms cross)
Adidas (jesus) (triangle logo)
Asics (jesus)
Playboy – rabbit
aPPLe - BiBLe
Mini – moon
Paramount – crescent shaped logo.
Red bull …
Opera’s browser Coast with “magic” C letter.

You are the only one "seeing" those connections - connections which are not actually there. Meaning, you are seeing what you want to.

So back to HaT (GoD, CoDe) The image of hat is very important.
That is why in gentleman society it is usual to take hat off. Not because everybody is raised, but because if someone will be in big hat and other will not, that person will have artificial authority.
Read any NLP book to understand this concept. You will laugh much less after.

Nope. Pretty sure I'm still laughing as much at your nonsensical notions.

Easy! Wiki: In the sixth century, it is reputed that Pope Gregory I declared the cock the emblem of Christianity saying the rooster was "the most suitable emblem of Christianity", being "the emblem of St Peter"
You can find more in internet. Rooster is placed on catholic churches. Proof accepted?
There are also enough cocks in Hinduism:
In the western Indian state of Gujarat, an event of the Makar Sankranti festival is kozhi kettu, the rooster fight. Kozhi kettu is an ancient ritual of Tulunadu and an ancient ritual associated with the ‘daivasthanams’ (temples) there.

Okay for Christianity. Not so much for Hinduism. Ritual cockfights do not elevate the rooster to a holy position.

Probably it is Bhadrakali - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhadrakali
I have told you that gay from video don’t spell it. That is why I can make mistake in writing.
But if you’ll check in google for Bhardakali festival you will find also this link and it means I talk about same action:
http://www.hindudevotionalblog.com/2011/...-2011.html
Interesting to have you idea about the tradition with crane.

Only that neither the goddess nor the ritual has anything to do with moon or cranes, it is a local event and it doesn't support your insane hypothesis.

I said right. “Korova” (cow) comes from “horn” which comes from *ker (growing). Same root for crescent.
So there is a strongest connection in language between the cow and crescent. Your opinion why?

Sorry - not the same root. Horn comes from *ḱer- (ḱerh₂-, ḱreh₂-, ḱerh₂-ei-, ḱerh₂-eu-) meaning "horn, upper part of the head". Crescent comes from *ḱer- (ḱerh₁-, ḱreh₁-) meaning "to grow". Two different roots. A linguist would've known the difference.

Ok. Then prove that Buddha is meditating on this kind of statue, but not sleeping.

That statue depicts Buddha about to die and enter Nirvana. Still not sleeping.

In terms of linguistics «god” and “shit” are very close. But it is not the reason.
Check below story. It is well known by Buddhists. But no one will ever tell you why Buddha is called so.
"What is Buddha? A dried shit stick". Such a statement about Mohammed or Jesus would provoke outrage amongst Muslims or Christians but to the pious Buddhist who asked the question in T'ang dynasty China, Master Ummon's reply was a precious teaching. It was so valued that it has been passed down from more than 1,000 years and is now case 21 in the Gateless Gate, one of the main collections of Zen koans.

Sorry - not buying this load of shit.

If you are familiar with Sanskrit you might know that shit is called “GoBa” in this language. This word is similar with “CoW” and in most cases means cow shit.
Then look what Hindus do with cow shit. They form shit cakes that shape is semicircle. (Start play from 5m23s)

Actually, its not called "Goba". There are many words for shit - that is not one of them. Figure out the right word for shit and the difference with cow-shit and then I'll tell you its significance - which has nothing to do with god or moon.

As Buddha is lunar deity it was called piece of shit due to form of shit and relation of it to cow. And the deer by the way, as he was making his first mess in deer park.

Again, I call bullshit.

Latin taurus "bull, bullock, steer," from PIE *tauro- "bull"
Deer is another horned animal.
Latin "cervus" (deer) comes from same root as “horn”, “korova” and “crescent”.
And this root is *ker – to grow.
May be now you can agree with visible connection between moon, god and horned animals in ancient traditions.
Or you still don’t see them?

There isn't. As indicated earlier, the root for horn is "top; horn" and root for crescent is "to grow". And Diana's incidental association with bulls is explained by her worship in Tauris.