RE: the so fallible Bible
October 7, 2013 at 9:53 am
(This post was last modified: October 7, 2013 at 9:55 am by max-greece.)
Before I start this Drich please avail yourself of a spell-checker. The mistakes are very distracting sometimes
"Just because God did not write the whole bible as He did with the Ten commandments with Moses, Does not mean He did not guid the hand of those who did."
Nor does it mean that they wrote it down exactly as he wanted. Nor does it mean that it has been subsequently translated accurately....
This might explain why Genesis is wrong. Water on the first day? Before the sky? Fruit trees before the sun? 5 days to make the earth, 1 day to make all the stars?
"Are you familiar with the book of Revelation? If you read the first few verses you will note that revelation is not a book of prophesy. It is a historical account of the end of the world. God took John of patmos and placed him in a position to record all that he saw, and told him to do his best to describe the following events. John did not live at that time, yet God gave him a oppertunity to witness it.
Genesis would have happened in a similiar way."
Revelation reads like a drug induced nightmare. That it is written from a historical perspective doesn't mean its going to be proved right. Judging by Genesis the odds against it being right are high.
"Need for what? Salvation? Salvation is not the finish line, it is the starting point of the 'race.'
Books like revelation and Genesis give us insight to God. With this knoweledge comes understanding, with understanding comes the oppertunity for a deeper relationship."
A junkie who gets all his facts muddled up? Thankfully I chose not to run.
"No not even close. My repeated message is that we do not need or are we required to understand the bible and everything written in it. We are
Simply held to account for what we do understand and comprehend."
You forgot to include the bits we are apparently entitled to add. Your argument not so long ago about the examination of Mary, for example, which was missing from the text but you felt free to incorporate.
Gotta say - its the first time I have ever seen a Christian do this. Just add bits on as the will takes them.
"Diversity in Christianity is the key to understanding it. Again we are told to do our best to worship God. Because we are all different it means our worship will be done in different ways, so as to serve our unique comperhensions of God. "
What a lovely thought but how far removed from reality. You are ever ready to disparage the interpretations of various sects of Christianity, although that's nothing. Wars are fought on interpretations.
Just go over to Northern Ireland. It won't take long for the question "So - do you kick with your left foot or your right?" to come up. They are not really asking about football. As it happens when I was asked I responded - I'm Jewish - with the choices that leaves me I think I'll be giving football a miss.
"I know what I believe and it has not changed since I have been posting on this board.
Perhaps you simply do not fully understand my beliefs because you are trying to reconsile what I have stated with your personal understanding of what 'christianity' is supposed to be."
Only a Christian would make that sound like a bad thing form the point of view of the questioner. Yes - I am trying to understand your position. You claim to be a Christian - so, yes, I am trying to fit you into the Christian framework as I have gotten to know it.
I can't see why my inability to do that reflects ill on me.
"Just because God did not write the whole bible as He did with the Ten commandments with Moses, Does not mean He did not guid the hand of those who did."
Nor does it mean that they wrote it down exactly as he wanted. Nor does it mean that it has been subsequently translated accurately....
This might explain why Genesis is wrong. Water on the first day? Before the sky? Fruit trees before the sun? 5 days to make the earth, 1 day to make all the stars?
"Are you familiar with the book of Revelation? If you read the first few verses you will note that revelation is not a book of prophesy. It is a historical account of the end of the world. God took John of patmos and placed him in a position to record all that he saw, and told him to do his best to describe the following events. John did not live at that time, yet God gave him a oppertunity to witness it.
Genesis would have happened in a similiar way."
Revelation reads like a drug induced nightmare. That it is written from a historical perspective doesn't mean its going to be proved right. Judging by Genesis the odds against it being right are high.
"Need for what? Salvation? Salvation is not the finish line, it is the starting point of the 'race.'
Books like revelation and Genesis give us insight to God. With this knoweledge comes understanding, with understanding comes the oppertunity for a deeper relationship."
A junkie who gets all his facts muddled up? Thankfully I chose not to run.
"No not even close. My repeated message is that we do not need or are we required to understand the bible and everything written in it. We are
Simply held to account for what we do understand and comprehend."
You forgot to include the bits we are apparently entitled to add. Your argument not so long ago about the examination of Mary, for example, which was missing from the text but you felt free to incorporate.
Gotta say - its the first time I have ever seen a Christian do this. Just add bits on as the will takes them.
"Diversity in Christianity is the key to understanding it. Again we are told to do our best to worship God. Because we are all different it means our worship will be done in different ways, so as to serve our unique comperhensions of God. "
What a lovely thought but how far removed from reality. You are ever ready to disparage the interpretations of various sects of Christianity, although that's nothing. Wars are fought on interpretations.
Just go over to Northern Ireland. It won't take long for the question "So - do you kick with your left foot or your right?" to come up. They are not really asking about football. As it happens when I was asked I responded - I'm Jewish - with the choices that leaves me I think I'll be giving football a miss.
"I know what I believe and it has not changed since I have been posting on this board.
Perhaps you simply do not fully understand my beliefs because you are trying to reconsile what I have stated with your personal understanding of what 'christianity' is supposed to be."
Only a Christian would make that sound like a bad thing form the point of view of the questioner. Yes - I am trying to understand your position. You claim to be a Christian - so, yes, I am trying to fit you into the Christian framework as I have gotten to know it.
I can't see why my inability to do that reflects ill on me.
