(October 7, 2013 at 9:53 am)max-greece Wrote: Nor does it mean that they wrote it down exactly as he wanted. Nor does it mean that it has been subsequently translated accurately....Again, you can seem to get your head around the fact the 'we' (generally speaking) are not responsiable for changing the content of the bible, only to the message we have. It is the responsiably of God to ensure the content of the message of HIS Bible or to forgive us where biblical based belief demands us to follow one path while in actuality God would have us follow another path.
Quote:This might explain why Genesis is wrong.Again how do you know genesis was wrong?
Quote: Water on the first day? Before the sky?Sky= atmosphere/gas. Water=Liquid. If 'science' is correct. we got our water/atmosphere from Huge Ice comets. Ice meaning frozen/solid elements not just H2O. When elements change state they don't go from solid to gas. They turn from a solid to a liquid to a gas. In a 'minimalist' understanding Oceans or vast liquid presents would proceed the boil off of the gasses the comprise the atmosphere.
Quote: Fruit trees before the sun?Right now we have a tropical storm moving through our state (or what is left of one.) It tell you this because there is literally light outside as I type this but no evidence of the source/Sun.(Which means there is Light before a minimalist understanding the source.) If God did flood the earth with liquid from comets, and there was a massive boil off of liquid to vapor, then it would stand to reason the sky would be very hazy.
Quote: 5 days to make the earth, 1 day to make all the stars?Again the Genesis account come from a central garden perspective. Meaning it was not till day 5 till the start could be seen.
God did not write genesis Moses/Abraham did (depending on who is right) and if the writer of Genesis was given a front row seat and got to see creation play out the account of genesis would be what he saw when he saw it.
Quote:Revelation reads like a drug induced nightmare. That it is written from a historical perspective doesn't mean its going to be proved right. Judging by Genesis the odds against it being right are high.Revelation reads like a bronze age man being asked to describe modern day occourances. Or you being asked to describe the 'magic' you would be exposed to if man was allowed to progress another 2000 years.
John wrote down what he saw and could understand. Another example of God not demanding we meet an absolute science book standard, but to simply asking john to do the best that he can and to be faithful to what he was given.
Quote:A junkie who gets all his facts muddled up? Thankfully I chose not to run.That is your choice.
Quote:You forgot to include the bits we are apparently entitled to add. Your argument not so long ago about the examination of Mary, for example, which was missing from the text but you felt free to incorporate.My understanding has gone past what has been written in the bible to include Hebrew culture of that time period. Not that I am a historian but I have taken several different classes not only concerning the bible but different cultures/time periods it was written in.
Quote:Gotta say - its the first time I have ever seen a Christian do this. Just add bits on as the will takes them.If anything I say does not make sense Then just ask me to provide with some sort of reference or proof of the material. I will do my best to provide you with what I can.
Quote:What a lovely thought but how far removed from reality. You are ever ready to disparage the interpretations of various sects of Christianity, although that's nothing. Wars are fought on interpretations.Where and when have I disparaged a Jesus Christ centered Religion?
Quote:Just go over to Northern Ireland. It won't take long for the question "So - do you kick with your left foot or your right?" to come up. They are not really asking about football. As it happens when I was asked I responded - I'm Jewish - with the choices that leaves me I think I'll be giving football a miss.you tell such nice stories
Quote:Only a Christian would make that sound like a bad thing form the point of view of the questioner. Yes - I am trying to understand your position. You claim to be a Christian - so, yes, I am trying to fit you into the Christian framework as I have gotten to know it.
I can't see why my inability to do that reflects ill on me.
Your frame work is the problem.
Your frame work evidently is based on religion(the works of man) and tradition, and has little understanding based on biblically Christianity. Which means to you biblical Christianity is weird and a foreign 'version' of Christianity that does not make sense because it does not look like the 'religious based stuff' your use to seeing.
Maybe you shouldn't try to make me fit a given understanding of Christian religion. Maybe listen ask questions and build a new understanding based off the bible.
If what I say does not line up with what you know of Christianity then, Good! but on the other hand how pridefully is it to think someone who has studied prayed and worked on his understanding of God is the person who is in error here. That somehow you have a more complete understanding of a God you do not believe in than someone who has A/S/K his entire adult life after.
You guys are all too quick to say the believer does not understand his God his religion, but somehow you all get to be experts because you don't know God. How does that make sense?
Are you one of those guys who tells a 20 year Master mechanic how to fix your car?
