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What Took Jesus So Long?
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RE: What Took Jesus So Long?
(October 7, 2013 at 4:39 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: First things first. Atheism is not the assertion

Is that an assertion you're making? I'd assert that it is an assertion which essentially one of scientific naturalism or materialism. If you're not asserting this you're better off handing in your atheist membership card and giving it a break. To do this properly you need a lot of conviction you can't be half hearted or wishy washy in your non-belief in the supernatural or whatever you want to call it. Whatever you decide to believe you don't want to be mincing around like a sissy without a decent pair of balls.


Quote:that a god does not exist; it is the rejection of
the assertion that a god does - which is the
assertion that theists make.

It amounts to the same thing? There's no use trying to play word games or semantics.


Quote:Second. I do not claim to know that a god
does or does not exist.

But no-one claims that. You do know what faith is right? Sure it's possible that I'm wrong and God or anything that would in any way be like God doesn't exist that is a possibility.

Quote:If a god exists, and
it is demonstrable, then I would be a hypocrite
to disbelieve in what I have required evidence
for.

It isn't demonstrable through the scientific method nor can it ever be. The scientific method can only study.

1) Gods creation not God himself
2) Only that which comes within the physical perception or abilities of detection of human beings

You can however argue that God as a creator likely exists if the universe id contingent and had a clear beginning in time, there was certainly a point of creation. Talking about our universe as we know it here. It could be on a cycle or part of a multiverse but God could easily make other universes if he wanted he can do whatever he likes.


Quote:Atheists reject theist claims and make very
few of their own, unless backed with evidence.

You're making a counter claim which is the claim that the universe exists as it is and organised itself to be the way it is for no particular reason and has anything to do with ourselves whatsoever at all. We're just the coincidental byproduct of a non-intelligent and purposeless coincidence in a universe that does not give the remotest fuck about us. This is a massive and significant counter claim. I do have some respect for this boldness of belief even if I think it's taking the Enlightenment values too far. You're essentially replacing God with the achievements of humanity, we don't have God to thank for these achievement just ourselves the measure of all things.

(October 7, 2013 at 4:44 pm)Captain Colostomy Wrote: Do you even read anything on this site?

You mean something someone says and then just believe what they say without questioning it? I thought you guys were supposed to be the freethinkers rather than following dogma.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.
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What Took Jesus So Long? - by Beta Ray Bill - October 7, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Zazzy - October 7, 2013 at 3:51 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Beta Ray Bill - October 7, 2013 at 4:15 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Zazzy - October 7, 2013 at 4:58 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by freedomfromforum - October 7, 2013 at 3:55 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Minimalist - October 7, 2013 at 3:57 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Zazzy - October 7, 2013 at 3:59 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Minimalist - October 7, 2013 at 4:30 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Captain Colostomy - October 7, 2013 at 4:02 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Sword of Christ - October 7, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by freedomfromforum - October 7, 2013 at 4:14 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Sword of Christ - October 7, 2013 at 4:30 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by freedomfromforum - October 7, 2013 at 4:39 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Sword of Christ - October 7, 2013 at 5:11 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Captain Colostomy - October 7, 2013 at 4:44 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Drich - October 7, 2013 at 4:45 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by freedomfromforum - October 7, 2013 at 4:52 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Minimalist - October 7, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Minimalist - October 7, 2013 at 5:23 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Beta Ray Bill - October 7, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Drich - October 7, 2013 at 5:33 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Beta Ray Bill - October 7, 2013 at 6:02 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Godschild - October 8, 2013 at 12:22 am
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Drich - October 8, 2013 at 12:28 am
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Captain Colostomy - October 7, 2013 at 4:48 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by max-greece - October 7, 2013 at 5:05 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Captain Colostomy - October 7, 2013 at 5:12 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Crossless1 - October 7, 2013 at 5:16 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Captain Colostomy - October 7, 2013 at 5:23 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by max-greece - October 7, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Sword of Christ - October 7, 2013 at 5:34 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Airyaman - October 7, 2013 at 5:26 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Captain Colostomy - October 7, 2013 at 5:45 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Sword of Christ - October 7, 2013 at 6:06 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Minimalist - October 7, 2013 at 6:14 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Sword of Christ - October 7, 2013 at 6:37 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Ryantology - October 7, 2013 at 6:45 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Minimalist - October 7, 2013 at 6:43 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Sword of Christ - October 7, 2013 at 6:51 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Captain Colostomy - October 7, 2013 at 6:57 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Faith No More - October 7, 2013 at 7:02 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Minimalist - October 7, 2013 at 7:02 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by ThomM - October 7, 2013 at 7:39 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Sword of Christ - October 8, 2013 at 6:22 am
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Minimalist - October 8, 2013 at 12:27 am
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by FallentoReason - October 8, 2013 at 6:37 am
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Sword of Christ - October 8, 2013 at 6:42 am
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by FallentoReason - October 8, 2013 at 6:44 am
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Sword of Christ - October 8, 2013 at 6:53 am
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by FallentoReason - October 8, 2013 at 6:58 am
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Beta Ray Bill - October 8, 2013 at 4:56 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Captain Colostomy - October 8, 2013 at 7:01 am
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Sword of Christ - October 8, 2013 at 7:14 am
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Captain Colostomy - October 8, 2013 at 7:21 am
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by max-greece - October 8, 2013 at 7:24 am
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Crossless1 - October 8, 2013 at 8:08 am
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by freedomfromforum - October 8, 2013 at 7:21 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Searching4truth - October 8, 2013 at 9:08 am
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Sword of Christ - October 8, 2013 at 5:49 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Beta Ray Bill - October 8, 2013 at 6:15 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Minimalist - October 8, 2013 at 6:41 pm
RE: What Took Jesus So Long? - by Searching4truth - October 8, 2013 at 7:53 pm

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