The dates given by AOS for past events may actually disprove evolution entirely

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The theory of relativity holds, but there are different possibilities depending on initial conditions.

You are assuming the shape of space over large distances and the speed of light over large distances.

Those assumptions are based on the already proven false assumption of "no God"

Well I am sure we are all glad that relativity holds- phew, what a relief.

As to the rest:

We are not talking about large distances 2.5 million light years is nothing in terms of the vastness of space - where we can "see" about 13.5 billion light years.

The issue of the shape of space doesn't come into it on such a small scale.

I know you didn't mean to refer to the speed of light over large distances as being a problem - you already accepted Einstein, remember?

So between us we have PROVEN that the universe is at least 2.5 million years old - good for us.

There's a long way to go, of course, as we have to get to 13.72 billion years but its a start and hey, Rome wasn't built in a day.

In the meantime I am going to ask you a question that a fellow theist of yours on the forum brought up a while ago.

How long were Adam and Eve in the Garden?

You don't know. It could have been a week, it could have been a year, it could have been 13.72 billion years - something your 6,000 year time-line doesn't help with....does it?

Now don't go quoting Adam's age at me from Genesis 6(?). That was from the day he left the garden. It had to be because there were no calendars in the garden.

You have assumed no God, so you conclusion based on your false assumption is false.

You have no proof of anything older than 6000 years old, which is not based on the already proven false assumption of "no God."

As to Adam ans Eve we do know how long Adam lived and the genealogies start there. He was created on day 6.

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I assure you, you have not. You are simply too blinded by your faith in Religioustastic Originationatory Faithism. Your assumptions lead you away from the truth, which is that I have proved you wrong on every point you have ever made, now and in future.

She should join the Religioustastic Originationatory Faith League (ROFL).

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Here is a link to the article

http://earthguide.ucsd.edu/virtualmuseum...07_1.shtml

There are many more on the Internet.

You need to be specific about your supposed tree ring proof.

1. you have not proven the "no God" assumption true. It is impossible.
2. The topics I have posted prove the "no God" assumption false.
3. The "no God" assumption cannot be used beyond recorded history

"long-term reconstructions of atmospheric CO2 levels going back in time show that 500 million years ago atmospheric CO2 was some 20 times higher than present values."

500 million years ago, sweetie. The useful range of carbon dating is 40,000 years. Can you even read?

You have no reconstructions of carbon going back beyond about 4000 years. That is just a false conclusion based on a false assumption of no God.

Carbon dating does not work without knowing the initial value.

Again just an assumption, and a already proven false assumption at that.

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Fixed that for you.

Much obliged.

Here is your logic:

Assume there is no God.
Since it is assumed that there is no God, the universe and life must have come without God
Therefore there is no God.

No logic at all just circular reasoning.

Here is my logic ( 2 proofs):
Proof by contraction.
Assume there is no God
Leads to countless contradictions
Therefore the assumption of no God is false.
Therefore there must be God.

Proof by Modus Ponens.
if the universe and life has vast interrelated complexity then an intelligent Almighty being made it.
the universe and life has vast interrelated complexity
therefore an intelligent Almighty being made it.