RE: the so fallible Bible
October 9, 2013 at 1:08 pm
(This post was last modified: October 9, 2013 at 1:13 pm by Tonus.)
(October 9, 2013 at 8:03 am)Drich Wrote: Just because one can do something does not mean it should be done. Enter in 'Treat others as you would like to be treated.'Unless you are god, or acting under his orders, yes?
Drich Wrote:Do you not know your own country's history? Are you not aware that every country that has ever claimed a stake in this planet has done the very SAME Thing? We may call it different things and we may sugar coat it today, but the same thing has happened over and over and over again since the dawn of man, Why is it now wrong for God to have regulated this act?God didn't regulate the act, he endorsed it.
(October 9, 2013 at 6:49 am)Lion IRC Wrote: Only God is justified.
I was asking how humans justify genocide.
As far as I can tell, they have done so by pointing the finger back at an authority figure, as a way of excusing their own horrifying excesses. Nazi officers pointed at party leaders, who pointed at the high command, who pointed at Hitler. Ancient man pointed at "god."
(October 8, 2013 at 9:06 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: And just how did the hypocrite thing get turned around on us atheists?
Once you go from "why doesn't god" to "why don't people" you are apt to get drawn in. Sure, you can say "but they have an obligation, check the Bible!" But I think everyone sees helping the poor as an ideal to strive for. "Why doesn't god intervene" is a good approach. "Why don't you intervene" is ripe for a comeback.
In any case, Christ gave mixed messages regarding wealth and wealth distribution. I'm surprised that there hasn't been more discussion regarding other things he said, as a way of deflecting criticism.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
-Stephen Jay Gould