RE: the so fallible Bible
October 10, 2013 at 4:16 pm
(This post was last modified: October 10, 2013 at 4:36 pm by John V.)
(October 10, 2013 at 3:53 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Is a person an all powerful deity? I'm wondering why anyone would like something that has the power to love unconditionally but choses not to...especially when the object of its love are the things it created.How is love a function of power? Do you fail to love people because you're tired?
Quote:I have read the bible. It was a great read. I have a KJV in my bookshelf somewhere.Regardless, you have to love him, or you're like a father who beats and rapes his children.
And really, the god of the bible isn't so complex, or nuanced. Genocidal, though, by your own admission.
Quote:John says god is love, that's all.No, that's not all. Before he says god is love, he says god is light, and he is pure, and he is righteous. You ignore those in order to cling to your desired position.
Quote:I have no reason to doubt the literalism of that statement...well...let's not go there. Your interpretation might be right...then again, it could be a load of bull.We've already been there, and your position is weak.
(October 10, 2013 at 4:13 pm)xpastor Wrote: You're really stuck on this bit about booze and pot and video games.They're mentioned here frequently (watch the shout box) and very obviously unnecessary, so yes, they make particularly good examples. I don't drink myself, but the wife and I do enjoy playing DDO, and spend ten bucks a month each to do so. We sponsor a child through Children International. We could give up DDO and sponsor another. We don't. So, I don't judge god or others for allowing suffering, as I do so myself.
Quote:Anyway, your obsession about booze and pot and video games has led you into a whopping great undistributed middle.Or any other unnecessary pleasure. I sometimes do term it generally, you know. As noted, booze and pot and video games are just particularly applicable on this forum.
Some atheists here spend their money on booze and pot and video games.
Quote:Some atheists here say it is monstrous not to alleviate suffering.Yep, I'm sure every atheist here devotes some money and/or time to personal pleasure which could be devoted to reducing suffering.
Therefore all atheists here who say it is monstrous not to alleviate suffering are hypocrites.
Quote:Human beings (with limited powers) should make some efforts to alleviate suffering.If they think it's monstrous to allow suffering, they should devote all excess to reducing suffering.
Quote:An omnipotent God should make an effort to alleviate suffering, and by definition that would eradicate suffering.God sees value in suffering. So do many people. I've grown more through suffering than through ease. I've grown closer to my wife more through times of suffering than through times of ease. Heck, the Bible says that Jesus was made perfect through suffering.
