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Lingvogeometry
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RE: Lingvogeometry
And here I thought we were done with your insanity. Apparently not.

(October 12, 2013 at 2:01 pm)Monolens Wrote: Leave it. It is too complicated concept, possible only real Buddhists are able to perceive it.
That is why there is laughing Buddha. Do you know why he is laughing?
He is showing the moon to stupid human who sees only complex reality and misses most of important details.

"The Devil is in the details"
Remember?
Russians say “The God is in the details”

Buddha is showing his teeth, which form recognizable shape.

MouTH = MSS

Remember – “smile of god”?

Of course you will reply that laughing Buddha does not mean moon. As I told before, this is new theory, that means you now read something that you have never heard before.
Try to understand it not in terms what you know about gods from the books written by people who also never know a dime about it.
Try to use clear logic to connect yourself the described correlation.

For example you know this 3 facts:

1. Russians are famous with association with bear.
2. Bear is divine animal in Russian mythology.
3. Bears have special feature in their coloring. White crescent on black surface.

Is it possible to connect logically these three facts? And receive hypothesis that ancient people were identifying bear as a god due to well-known shape of usually observed object, which was that time being believed to be a god.

Except:

Laughing Buddha is laughing to signify happiness and contentment - not because the shape of his mouth can be convoluted to mean moon.

Mouth =/= MSS.

And bears typically don't have any crescent-like markings - so that can't be the reason for revering them


(October 12, 2013 at 2:01 pm)Monolens Wrote: Yes, eye is allegory of extra-ordinary perception. But why it is so?
Only because this kind of perception can be reached by eye? Or because something with extra-ordinary perception is looking like eye?
Do you know how to say “eye” in Chinese?
Moo.
And hieroglyph for this is 目
It looks like a stairs. Can you remind, where stairs are connected with eye in other cultures?
Americans, whose MoNey have image of flying eye and pyramid. Pyramid geometrically is stair.

Egyptians who were building such big stairs and whose symbol is symbol or Ra and Horus - EYE.
Zoroastrians who also were building such kind of structures called Zikurats.

Stair, star, Astrians, Easter, hotar (Vedic priest)

And Islam, even if its sound strange at this point. The word “Islam” is coming from word سلم which sounds like “SaLeMa” and is translated as "ladder, stairs".

Ladder = leader = lighter
Interesting?
But the most interesting is that Chinese translation of word “moon” is “月” Hieroglyph that also consists of stairs shape.
Tibetan Buddhists symbol is eyes, which they are putting on multistep mountain temples.

So many common patterns are forcing to assume common roots of above touched traditions.

What common patterns?

A third eye is regarded as special because two eyes are for normal perception and a third would mean extra-ordinary perception. That's all there is to it.

The Chinese word for eye is "yanjing". It's hieroglyph is more complicated than the one you gave. It has no relation to stairs or to moon.

That being said, the recurrence if "eye" in different mythologies is not surprising because gods are typically regarded as being able to see more than mortals. Also common is building tall monuments to those gods and having stairs in them is also expected.

The actual reasons for these recurring elements are much simpler and more sensible than your crazy moon hypothesis.


(October 12, 2013 at 2:01 pm)Monolens Wrote: My conception sounds different:
All religions have common roots based on similar ultra-early belief. Consciously religions are not about moon, but their origin is similar and can be still recognized via correlation of used shapes.
Coming to our reception in such weighty form occured because moon was not (and is not) only visual object. Having many useful characteristics, it gave us ability to cognize surrounding world by comparing those characteristics with objects and events around.
It became etalon for many uses.
Speed, movement, circular turning, two very ergonomically advantageous shapes, light level, color (silver, black, red, yellow, even blue and green (in terms of young)

Mass (MSS) – moon is virtually of unchanged weight. Scales are unit for MeaSuring and its shape is crescent like.

Concept of balance.
CouRT which goddess is Themis symbolized by scales, horn and having eyes accented. Remember who was Moses? Chief of court.

Concept of time.
Practically all religious structures are used to keep time and inform society.
Bells, currants, screams of muezzins, wall clocks.
TEMPles, CHuRCH (CiRCle, CouRT), Mosque (MSS), chapel, hour (hare, year), minute (month), CHRoNo (HoRN), century (santa), age (ox).
Basic calendars were lunar in any tradition. Even today billions of people live by them.

I don’t say that sun was absolutely useless or it does not have its role in development of humanity. However, the role of moon was significantly higher.
And I would like to correct existing misunderstanding in the world which caused humanity to be so unstable.
We must stop any religious wars as well as religions itself due to its common origin. Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Hinduisms, Judes, everybody have completely same roots, coming from times where we all were united. It is time to understand this simple concept and unite humans in the name of our children.
They don’t have to live in society, where people fight with each other because of their relation to moon or sun.
We need to pass this stupid opposition and move together to the time, where much more complicated tasks expect us.

Your "conception" is not only different, its insane.

The only significant value of the moon in development of religions has been as a device for time-keeping. And that's because the phases of the moon are the most easily observable astronomical phenomena.

You are the only one "seeing" the moon in each and every religious icon. There is no correlation between different shapes - you "see" and by that, I mean, delude yourself into seeing - those correlations because of your prior conviction that its all about the moon. The ideas about courts and justice have nothing whatsoever to do with the moon.

As for time-keeping, the moon was useful for monthly time-keeping. The sun was still used for daily/hourly time-keeping. So, even in that case moon is not "all-prevalent".

(October 12, 2013 at 2:01 pm)Monolens Wrote: 360 days can be counted without calendar. Lunar-solar calendar is combination of 360-370 days cycle with 12 lunar month cycle.
There are 12 months in Hindu lunar Calendar.

Try reading up a bit on Vedic astronomy before making these claims.


(October 12, 2013 at 2:01 pm)Monolens Wrote: Not lied. It is written in Wikipedia.
Shiva

санскр. कौमुदीkaumudī IAST, «полумесяц»

In Sanskrit it means moon light and even full moon day. This is the demonstration of moon duality.
Moon is moon whenever it is crescent or round. You cannot logically prove that full moon is not young moon.
If I will tell you: “there was a nice moon that time”, will you understand what moon did I mean.

It seems the Russian wiki needs to be vetted better. Kaumadi does not mean crescent. It means moonlight - or occasionally - full moon. Not young moon. And no, they are not the same.



(October 12, 2013 at 2:01 pm)Monolens Wrote: There was no Jesus or Krishna. This whole story is fantasy, allegory. But there is a connection in two points. 1. Both stories about god. 2. Both characters connected with horned animals.
These two connections cannot be ignored during the investigation of religions.
The same logic for example can be used for connecting god of alcohol with Dionysus Krishna, as Dionysus is also armed with flute and guess about its shape? It is doubled!

Remember that lunar god Soma is also mind changing drink?

The story being a fantasy and it being an allegory are not the same thing. Those stories are a fantasy, not an allegory. Further, one character is connected to a horned animal and the other is not. Which is why that connection can be ignored. Krishna is also no connected to alcohol or Soma. And the shape of the flutes are not even close to crescents. Further, the types of flutes they play are also completely different. So, no connection there either.



(October 12, 2013 at 2:01 pm)Monolens Wrote: Ok. But you did not answer. What is that helmet decorated with? Name this decoration, please.
And the decoration of Tailand Buddhist temple.

Like I said, I'll tell you what decorations they represent once you do some objective research into Hindu art. Right now, all you are going to see is "moon", "moon", "crescent", "moon" etc. Whatever answer I give you, your reply would be "but that is a symbol for moon too". So, try to figure that one out on your own first.



(October 12, 2013 at 2:01 pm)Monolens Wrote: It is same what I was showing you. But not wired to hat.

And once you see it without being wired to the hat, you should realize that there is no moon there.



(October 12, 2013 at 2:01 pm)Monolens Wrote: It is called approximation. It does not have to fit point to point.

And if it was supposed to represent the moon, you would not have to approximate.


(October 12, 2013 at 2:01 pm)Monolens Wrote: Yes, there is. But this is misunderstanding mostly caused by 2000 years of prevailing “sunny” paradigm. Starting to check facts by yourself will let you understand that many connections are not so obvious and correct.
Just try to connect logically the bull and the sun. I believe you will need to brake Okkama rule by creating new entities.
However the moon can be connected by one 100% step as its shape can be found in image of cow.

So, the part where Wikipedia disagrees with your "theory" is a misunderstanding? Moronic.

The connection between sun and bull can be as easily "logical" as your connection between moon and bull. A bull is "mighty". The sun is "mighty". No need to involve any visual cues.


(October 12, 2013 at 2:01 pm)Monolens Wrote: So check Artemis symbols:
Bow and arrow
• Artemis' chariot was made of gold and was pulled by four golden horned deer
Harpoon – is horned fishing instrument. Fishing net.
Both symbols are connected with fish.
Lyre - musical instrument with horned shape.

The name Artemis (variants Arktemis, Arktemisa) is most likely related to Greek árktos ‘bear’ (from PIE *h₂ŕ̥tḱos), supported by the bear cult that the goddess had in Attica (Brauronia) and the Neolithic
I have already mentioned the role of bear and its connection to the moon.
Bear in Latin “uRSuS”. Remember that RuSSians are symbolized by bear?
And by the way bears are famous for its habit to catch and eat FISH!

Thank you for attention. Looking forward to hear your objective criticism.

So, the goddess of moon and hunting is associated with - deer/bears/fish, that is, things that are hunted or bows and arrows/spears/chariots - things used during hunting. So, fucking what?

She doesn't seem to have any relation to horns or bulls - which is what you were supposed to prove. But, ofcourse, since you can't, you ignore it completely and go off in a tangent.
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RE: Lingvogeometry - by Monolens - September 29, 2013 at 4:14 am
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RE: Lingvogeometry - by Monolens - September 28, 2013 at 2:34 pm
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