(October 20, 2013 at 2:27 pm)John V Wrote:(October 20, 2013 at 2:16 pm)Brakeman Wrote: So to one who has never experienced "negative consequences" nor had any understanding of these "negative consequences", and had no sense of right or wrong about avoiding these "negative consequences", would have reacted correctly to the threat?You avoid negative consequences out of self interest, not right or wrong.
Quote:If Adam and Eve had been sufficiently warned by god in a manner that they then 100% understood the consequences, they wouldn't have eaten the fruit. Generally healthy adults even today would not make the mistakes they do if they were completely aware of the consequences. But Adam and Eve only had a warning, they did not have full knowledge and understanding of what the crazy god would do to them if they disobeyed his threat.You can warn someone as much as you like, but if they don't believe your warnings it will have no effect.
We're told that Eve was deceived, but Adam wasn't.
So you claim that Adam knew full well what was to befall him for eating the fruit? So why would a sane person do that? Could someone bribe you with an apple to commit murder if you knew perfectly well that your were going to get caught and viciously killed for it? If you knew perfectly that there was no chance whatsoever that you could avoid the resultant fate? This is not a "likely get caught scenario, this is a 100% pure choice. What balanced in the favor of eating the fruit in Adam's mind? What could have been so worth it if he knew full well the full and complete consequences?
Secondly, the "sense of right and wrong" includes understanding what is right and wrong according to your own interests. You have to know whether or not it is right or wrong to act in your best interest or someone else's.
(October 20, 2013 at 2:27 pm)John V Wrote:Cool, so you're saying you've found another contradiction in the bible?
(October 20, 2013 at 2:16 pm)Brakeman Wrote: Matthew 5:44Try Matt 23.
John V Version (JVV) Jeebus speaking..
44 But I say unto you, denigrate your enemies, belittle them that curse you, do annoying things to them to make them hate you, and persecute them which point things out to you, and try to educate you;
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