RE: The Good Samaritian
October 22, 2013 at 11:49 am
(This post was last modified: October 22, 2013 at 11:56 am by Bucky Ball.)
(October 18, 2013 at 12:14 am)Drich Wrote: While that is completely true, How do you know that all current atheists are and will always be atheist? I once did not believe in God, but the "Father drew " and I then had a choice to make. Fore just because God called me does not mean I had to answer. Are you familiar with the parable of the prodigal son? The Father in that story wanted his son by his side but allowed him to not only leave but to stay gone and spend all that he was given to live the life the son wanted to live. It wasn't till the son made the choice to return did the Father rush out and welcomed him home.
The question is irrelevant. I don't make generalizations about people I don't know. The fact that you changed your opinions is also irrelevant, and anecdotal, at most. What your brain tells you is/was a "call" exists ONLY in your brain. If the utterance : "For many are called. but few are CHOSEN" has any meaning content, it means your deity is capricious, and admits it. If he didn't mean it, why say it ? Quoting Babble stories to those who do not recognize their authority is a waste of time. The parable (which was circulating in the ancient Near East before the gospels, and was not original to the gospels), is a nice story. Nothing more. No honest atheist can make an "honest choice" to affirm ("return to the Father" ... when they were NEVER THERE in the first place) that which she/he absolutely does NOT accept as truth. What you are suggesting is intellectually dishonest, AND you are suggesting your deity would approve of that.
Quote:Professing belief, or even believing that you are 'christian' because of what you do does not make you one. As per what Christ said in mat 7. The choice I was taking about was the choice Christ offered and died to provide.
Nice, but it doesn't address the issue that was raised. Christ offers no "choice" to those who honestly don't buy into any of the BS. Jebus died, if he even existed, AFTER asking to have the cup removed from him, thus PROVING he and the Father WERE NOT ONE, because he was a common crook, and caused a ruckus in the temple, and there was a standing order in the Pax Romana to execute troublemakers. There was no trial. The Sanhedrin was NEVER once in Jewish history called into session on Passover weekend. The entire business of "needing to die" means your deity is SUBJECT to the very structure, in reality it supposedly created.
"Salvation" is a VERY non-Hebrew concept, and one that did NOT exist in Hebrew culture, ...see Martin Buber's "Good and Evil" part II). It was imported by Saul of Tarsus from Zoroastrianism/Mithraism. (Tarsus was a hotbed of Mithraism). http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...ins?page=2 See post 12.
I realize you NEED, (because you have a low tolerance for ambiguity) to explain the world in simplistic, and absolute black and white (infantile) terms, but you don't get to make generalizations about people you don't know.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell 
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