(October 18, 2013 at 12:38 am)Drich Wrote:(October 17, 2013 at 7:49 pm)Waratah Wrote: I do not have to prove intent. You left out the second definition of lie.Again I ask are you ignorant of basic English and general comprehension of western soceity? Or are you pushing for more intentional deception? Or do you have a third option? If you feel you have an understand English and western soceity I ask, What does it mean to create? As in to "create a false understanding?"
Definition of LIE
intransitive verb
1: to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2: to create a false or misleading impression
By you leaving out definition number 2 you created a misleading impression that a lie had to have intent.
So by trying to defend yourself, you lie. Well done drich
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Wouldn't creation of this deception indicate intent? If your belief is that creation does not include or reflect any intention then please give an example where creation spontaneously occours and does not include intent. Otherwise know intent is critical to BOTH understandings of this word.
Now if I had your understanding of a liar I would be calling you one now, and get to hound dog you. Because by what you have said, and what you posted you omitted 3/4 of the definition lie to only provide the two you thought were revelant and yet represented those two definitions as the only definitions of the word lie.
Which by your own standard makes you a liar. So I ask you using your own logic and own definitions explain to me why in this situation you are not a liar.
(October 18, 2013 at 12:25 am)Deidre32 Wrote: I was once a Christian. How do you know the stories you follow in the Bible are true?
God offers proof for those who Ask, Seek and Knock for it as outlined in Luke 11.
Nope. There are no "proofs". Faith is a "virtue" and one of the "gifts of the Spirit", in your world, (see St. Paul). The entire business of "proofs" renders faith unnecessary. It's an entirely non-Christian concept that was invented by Rationalists who also wanted to maintain that their faith was "rational", and that the way to know reality is possible by "Logic". That has been proven false. The universe is not "intuitive", as proven by Einstein (Relativity), Heisneberg, (Uncertainty), and Dirac, (see his math ...tensors and matrices, and that of others. The human brain evolved to deal with reality in a small bandwidth. The ONLY thing that is reliable, is EVIDENCE.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell
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