RE: The Good Samaritian
October 24, 2013 at 3:47 pm
(This post was last modified: October 24, 2013 at 3:50 pm by Drich.)
(October 23, 2013 at 12:46 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Did you not say you used to be a non-believer ?Whether I believed or not the options were always the same. To either believe or not. Therefore I could not or did not change my options.
Quote:No. Attempted deflection.You've missed the point. God Chooses those who show up. There is not one instance in all of scripture that God flat out refuses one who A/S/K's (shows up.)
I'm not talking about the ones that show up. They question is WHY are ONLY a FEW chosen. Not about the subset of those who show up. The question is why are ONLY some chosen in the first place. Fail. You deity creates people, and then does NOT choose them, and admits it.
Quote:Incoherent drivel.If you do not have the capsity to understand what is said then ask a question. Only a fool dismisses what he does not understand outright.
Quote: Pointing out the Bible's fallacies, inconsistencies etc does not require demonstration of the deity in question, or acceptance of the authority of the text in question. Do I have to demonstrate Zeus to discuss Greek myths ? Fail.To Point out a supposed inconsistancy/contradiction using the bible is a none issue. Where the issue lies is to point out said inconsistancy while at the same time hypocritically claiming the bible is not a valid source to dispell said inconsistancy/contradiction. That is the issue. Fore if the bible is a legit source to identify a contradiction with in it's pages it must be reason then if a solution can also be found with in it's pages the answer is as valid as the question.
(October 22, 2013 at 2:57 pm)Drich Wrote: proof? any sort of reference? or am i just to take your word on faith?
Quote:David A. Holgate, "Prodigality, Liberality and Meanness in the Parable of the Prodigal Son: a Greco-Roman Perspective on Luke 15.11-32
http://nearemmaus.com/category/historica...iterature/ Scroll down
He got it from the Progymnasmata, (Greek literature, and wrote it in). It was a well know circulating literary theme.
Maybe you should actually learn something about your cult, and it's literature, before you think you're up to preaching it.
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commenta...tecedents/
;P Back at you buck. I can quote someone's personal thoughts in a published format as well. Let me know if you want to compare something more real.
Quote:Again i simply did not understand your meaning, so I asked you to clarify. Again only a fool dismisses what he does not understand outright. In essence something in your logic has failed, or you have assumed too much thus allowing you compile a left field arguement of some sort, and rather than me speculate I asked that you clarify. If youre not able to expound on your own points then i will have to dismiss them as incohearent jibberish.(October 22, 2013 at 2:57 pm)Drich Wrote: how so?
How so ? Really ? REALLY ? Look up the phrase "intellectual dishonesty". You don't know the difference between honesty and intellectual dishonesty ? I see your problem.
(October 22, 2013 at 2:57 pm)Drich Wrote: how so?
You seem unable to be able follow a discussion. Are you mentally ill ?
Quote:Why indeed. The gospels were written by Roman sympathizers. They wanted the Jews implicated. The gospels are IN NO WAY "historical".Am I supposed to take your word by faith or do you have an actual reference to back that up or are you are saying? no more book peddlers. i am looking for a legitmate reference book or something along those lines.
Quote:There was no word in their language for "history".Oh, really?!?! To me it looks like there are three Koine Greek words that can translate to 'history.'
διήγησις
... Definition: a narration, relation, history, Lk. 1:1* ...
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γενεαλογία
... Definition: genealogy, catalogue of ancestors, history of descent, 1 Tim. 1:4; Tit. 3:9* ...
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βασιλεία
... with various limitation, of its administration and coming history, as in the parables; its distinctive nature, Rom. 14:17; its ...
http://www.teknia.com/search/node/histor...%3Alexicon
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This is what happens when you let other people do your thinking for you buckie.. Lazy crap like this make you look like a big mouth poser who doesn't know what he is talking about. You claim research and knoweledge, but a simple google search has escaped you.. Why? because you have Blind closed minded faith in what you believe, and no real education. That that has you swallow anything; books or web sites like the one you referenced hook line and sinker. If you are apart of some organized system of 'education' Ask for you money back. Send them a link to this page and say "some special ed high school 'graduate' has kick in my teeth with the use of google."
Quote:If the whole thing actually happened why, when Peter was brought before the authorities in Acts, did he mention NOTHING about the zombie invasion, (all the others who also rose from the dead and walked around Jerusalem), split, rocks, earthquake, and all the dead who walked around Jerusalem, The torn temple curtain ? Why ? Because it's ALL BULLSHIT.Who says he didn't?
Quote:Why did the Romans and the Jews not go and try to RE_ARREST him, if he was seen by ANYONE ?Again who says they didn't?
On top of that where would they have began their search? Did they put out an APB? hang wanted poster in the post office? Have his face posted on the evening news?
In your historical expertise how did a govermental agency conduct a man hunt 2000 years ago? Now again who's to say they did not do everything they could do?
Quote:Philo of Alexandria wrote about all sorts of other far less important things happening in Jerusalem at at that time, he is actually thought to have been IN Jerusalem during those years, and he and NOT ONE ancient Jewish historian NEVER ONCE mentions the temple curtain, or ANYTHING about these events. If the temple curtain had spontaneously torn, it would have been a monumental event in Jewish history.Philo was not a historean He was a philospher who's works concentrated on the pharisacical aspects of the Law, and how they related to 1 century moseic/Jewish life.
http://www.earlyjewishwritings.com/philo.html
Your use of philo of alexandria as a reference to support your statement/arguement is at best a display of general ignorance of the works of this Jewish Philospher. Or the other option is your out right lying. Because either way the works of Philo did not cover the areas of historical intrest you said they did.
Quote:Nice try. If something SO unusual had happened, it would have been mentioned somewhere by historians on site who recorded FAR less important details, flattering, AND non-flattering.Why do you assume it was not written down? Are you so foolish that you are under the impression that the vast majority of what was written in the first century was perserved? Why else default to your arguement "Why wasn't it written down?" -Or do you simply not understand that you must show that you can account for all of the written record in that area at that time to use the arguement "why wasn't it written down?"
If I remember correctly (From my last arguement on this subject) we project that we have less than 30% of everything written at that time.. Remember there was a big fire in and arounf 70ad in that region and the vast majority of what the Jews had written is now gone. (They had to keep their writtings in scriptorums, and if I remember there were only 3 major ones and all three were destroyed.)
Quote:Josephus wrote his book to try to prove Vespasian was the messiah. HE would have used it. He never mentions it. Philo says nothing. Pilate secretary says nothing. ALL wrote about FAR more mundane details.Again this whole primise falls flat on its face unless you have access to everything written. Otherwise all you have is wishful/faithful thinking.
Quote:Exactly. That's your problem. You know nothing about ancient Hebrew culture. You are incompetent in this discussion. Did you read the links, or references ? No. Your are here to preach, not learn.
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(October 22, 2013 at 2:57 pm)Drich Wrote: Actually Christ Himself spoke of salvation in several different parables. Wheat/ weeds, Wheat/ Chaff, Sheep/ goats, anytime there is a seperation between believers/followers of Christ and those who are cast out where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth etc, is where Christ Himself speaks of salvation or rather He is establishing the need for it..
Quote:Oh for god's sake. You have no clue.how so? How does this 'literary device not speak to salvation?'
1. Those word were "place in his mouth" as a "literary device".
2. Clearly the subtleties of cultural differences are WAY WAY WAY over your head. You have no clue.
If you feel you have an insight to the subtleties of this culture then please i AM here to learn. (So long as you are trying to teach truth.)
Quote:No dear. I AM a PhD candidate in Ancient Near Eastern Cultures and Languages. I WROTE the damn thing.Oh snap, looks like your going to be denied.
Quote:You didn't even attempt to begin to refute ONE point in the referenced paper. You are so lame, and inept.Why do off the street douche bags think they can bluff an education? Your assessment of Philo, Your references to a published book of personal opinion, your reference to a 'paper', when asked to produce reference material, you general ignorance to the 'type of language' that 'they used' Your ignorance to the 3 words that all reference or can be translated to "History." All come together to mean you do not understand what reference book/material is, or that in your mind you have no need for them, that you do not check the basless 'facts' you spout, that you rely heavily on key word searches looking for random unverified materials that support popular community collage level thinking on this subject matter.
Why do people with SO little knowledge and skill in the subject they think they are competent to discuss, come to places like think, and make fools of themselves ?
which all comes together to create a picture that youre an off the street douche bag or a really piss poor doctorial canadiate for a field of study with no practical application in this world out side the church. and since you hate God, that means you have put in this great effort to just argue.
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(Do you guys even think before you speak?)
So yeah, congrates dr. of poor reasoning ability, and of little common sense. your doing a fine job so far. You got me shaking in my boots, and it appears you have the support of the one person on this website who believes your story. or rather Needs to believe your story, because He like you tends to look toward the sensational to drive his points.
Quote:Great. Produce your "evidence" now. Obviously yet another subject you have not a clue is all about. PLEASE do nothing for a living in engineering, or medicine or science. You are a danger to yourself and others.The evidence is not mine. It belongs to God. If you petition God as He has instructed He will grant you said evidence.
Look up the word "evidence".
again What better evidence of God than God? and Who is able to produce God other than God?
If you want your evidence you will humble yourself before God just like everyone else.
Quote:BTW, you need to use a spell checker. Your spelling is atrocious. Or are you just as generally uneducated as your writing makes you look ?No the general Idea is to have someone as 'uneducated as I appear to be' crush the arguement of a doctrial canadiate, with simple logic, simple spelling, and the use of a simple to use search engine.
The question is, what do you think you're doing here ?
It's a good thing you did not apply your 'doctorial skills' to anything useful, because if your work here is any indicator 'authentic'universitydiplomas.org standards are starting to slip.
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(October 23, 2013 at 2:05 pm)tokutter Wrote: OUCHA MA GOUCHA!!!!
Drich ....I think its time for you to exit.....stage right>>>>.........
and start another thread
Bucky.......your gonna love Drich.
I am done with this thread now. Two birds one stone.