(October 24, 2013 at 11:29 am)apophenia Wrote: I don't mean to cast aspersion upon an entire class of people without justification,
But ironically, you did, when you wrote the following:
(October 24, 2013 at 11:29 am)apophenia Wrote: but this appears to be a Muslim thing, that putting a few relevant words into a google search and counting any hits as confirmation is the equivalent of research and scholarship. It isn't.
You say "this appears to be a Muslim thing" with no justification for that. And I one hundred percent disagree with such a baseless comment.
(October 24, 2013 at 11:29 am)apophenia Wrote: The last time I disputed Rayaan on a matter, his 'evidence' was the results of a google search, of which, the third hit in the search was a refutation of his claim.
1. Show me one place in this thread where I said that this is "evidence" of a conspiracy.
2. What google search are you talking about? Which post is that referring to?
(October 24, 2013 at 11:29 am)apophenia Wrote: Yet for shitheads like Rayaan, this constitutes research and evidence. I've noted similar behavior among other Muslims I've encountered on the internet, and it's a behavior which seems foreign to other intellectual communities. And it's pathetic.
It definitely does constitute research - or a part of research at least - although you sticking in the word "evidence" in your first sentence there is a straw man because I didn't say anywhere that I have evidence for the 9/11 conspiracy theory. Everything that I have posted are things that support my arguments, but not necessarily evidence. As I said before, there is a difference between evidence and support.
What things that I posted here have you refuted, apo? Nothing. You're just talking about how I suck at research ... coz you're probably just jealous.
(October 24, 2013 at 11:29 am)apophenia Wrote: For what it's worth, sometime in the past two years, I spent several weeks doing dedicated research on the subject, reading both the claims and the rebuttals, and watching some of the videos. What I determined is that 'truthers' lie and distort things a lot. Whenever you go to research the facts on a truther claim, what you find is significantly different from what the truther led you to believe. When they aren't lying, they're misleading with illogical argument, emotional rhetoric, JAQing off (RationalWiki: JAQing off), or playing 'blame the skeptic'. Truthers are full of shit.
Well, I'd be rather pleased if you at least attempted to back up any of your claims about these "truthers" with specific examples and/or arguments they make.
Unless you are able to do that, then your words have no weight. They are just empty words with no justification.