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Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing?
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Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing?
Considering that I have no religion dictating whom it is okay to kill or not, I'd like to know: if a Pastor came to your town, and accused the children of your town of witchcraft which lead to social unrest and suffering, torment and child abuse: would you kill that pastor?



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/18...24943.html
Quote:The nine-year-old boy lay on a bloodstained hospital sheet crawling with ants, staring blindly at the wall.

His family pastor had accused him of being a witch, and his father then tried to force acid down his throat as an exorcism. It spilled as he struggled, burning away his face and eyes. The emaciated boy barely had strength left to whisper the name of the church that had denounced him – Mount Zion Lighthouse.

A month later, he died.

Nwanaokwo Edet was one of an increasing number of children in Africa accused of witchcraft by pastors and then tortured or killed, often by family members. Pastors were involved in half of 200 cases of "witch children" reviewed by the AP, and 13 churches were named in the case files.

Some of the churches involved are renegade local branches of international franchises. Their parishioners take literally the Biblical exhortation, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."

"It is an outrage what they are allowing to take place in the name of Christianity," said Gary Foxcroft, head of nonprofit Stepping Stones Nigeria.

Sam Itauma of the Children's Rights and Rehabilitation Network said it is the most vulnerable children – the orphaned, sick, disabled or poor – who are most often denounced. In Nwanaokwo's case, his poor father and dead mother made him an easy target.

"Even churches who didn't use to 'find' child witches are being forced into it by the competition," said Itauma. "They are seen as spiritually powerful because they can detect witchcraft and the parents may even pay them money for an exorcism."



There's a scar above Jane's shy smile: her mother tried to saw off the top of her skull after a pastor denounced her and repeated exorcisms costing a total of $60 didn't cure her of witchcraft. Mary, 15, is just beginning to think about boys and how they will look at the scar tissue on her face caused when her mother doused her in caustic soda. Twelve-year-old Rachel dreamed of being a banker but instead was chained up by her pastor, starved and beaten with sticks repeatedly; her uncle paid him $60 for the exorcism.

Israel's cousin tried to bury him alive, Nwaekwa's father drove a nail through her head, and sweet-tempered Jerry – all knees, elbows and toothy grin – was beaten by his pastor, starved, made to eat cement and then set on fire by his father as his pastor's wife cheered it on.



The home was founded in 2003 with seven children; it now has 120 to 200 at any given time as children are reconciled with their families and new victims arrive.

Helen Ukpabio is one of the few evangelists publicly linked to the denunciation of child witches. She heads the enormous Liberty Gospel church in Calabar, where Nwanaokwo used to live. Ukpabio makes and distributes popular books and DVDs on witchcraft; in one film, a group of child witches pull out a man's eyeballs. In another book, she advises that 60 percent of the inability to bear children is caused by witchcraft.

In an interview with the AP, Ukpabio is accompanied by her lawyer, church officials and personal film crew.

"Witchcraft is real," Ukpabio insisted, before denouncing the physical abuse of children. Ukpabio says she performs non-abusive exorcisms for free and was not aware of or responsible for any misinterpretation of her materials.

My answer is still No, amazingly. I guess that makes me more moral than them.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Mystical - October 27, 2013 at 8:07 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by IAmNotHere - October 27, 2013 at 8:11 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Cinjin - October 27, 2013 at 8:30 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Mystical - October 27, 2013 at 8:39 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Minimalist - October 27, 2013 at 9:29 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Ryantology - October 27, 2013 at 9:53 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Esquilax - October 28, 2013 at 1:26 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Zazzy - October 27, 2013 at 10:21 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Walking Void - October 27, 2013 at 11:13 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Godschild - October 28, 2013 at 1:49 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Ryantology - October 28, 2013 at 2:04 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Esquilax - October 28, 2013 at 2:42 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Godschild - October 28, 2013 at 4:24 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Esquilax - October 28, 2013 at 6:06 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Silver - October 28, 2013 at 3:31 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Cinjin - October 28, 2013 at 11:34 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by max-greece - October 28, 2013 at 1:57 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Godschild - October 28, 2013 at 3:54 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by max-greece - October 28, 2013 at 4:10 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Bob Kelso - October 28, 2013 at 2:27 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Godschild - October 28, 2013 at 1:27 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by max-greece - October 28, 2013 at 4:40 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Mystical - October 28, 2013 at 6:01 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Godschild - October 28, 2013 at 1:47 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Esquilax - October 28, 2013 at 1:58 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Zen Badger - October 28, 2013 at 6:04 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Godschild - October 28, 2013 at 2:03 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Godschild - October 29, 2013 at 4:16 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Ryantology - October 29, 2013 at 4:45 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Godschild - October 30, 2013 at 4:29 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Esquilax - October 30, 2013 at 4:35 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by max-greece - October 28, 2013 at 1:46 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Godschild - October 28, 2013 at 8:36 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Ryantology - October 28, 2013 at 8:57 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Esquilax - October 28, 2013 at 11:23 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Godschild - October 29, 2013 at 1:03 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Esquilax - October 29, 2013 at 1:17 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Godschild - October 29, 2013 at 1:28 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Esquilax - October 29, 2013 at 3:43 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Cinjin - October 29, 2013 at 2:08 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Godschild - October 29, 2013 at 4:08 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Esquilax - October 29, 2013 at 5:08 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Cinjin - October 29, 2013 at 1:32 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Mystical - October 29, 2013 at 2:13 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Ryantology - October 29, 2013 at 2:14 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Mystical - October 28, 2013 at 11:37 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Lion IRC - October 29, 2013 at 2:56 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Lion IRC - October 29, 2013 at 5:42 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Esquilax - October 29, 2013 at 5:47 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Zazzy - October 29, 2013 at 11:55 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Lion IRC - October 29, 2013 at 5:13 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Ryantology - October 29, 2013 at 5:55 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Mystical - October 29, 2013 at 8:14 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Lion IRC - October 30, 2013 at 7:00 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Esquilax - October 30, 2013 at 7:08 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Mystical - October 29, 2013 at 2:02 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Esquilax - October 29, 2013 at 2:13 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Mystical - October 29, 2013 at 10:44 pm
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Mystical - October 30, 2013 at 9:39 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Esquilax - October 30, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Mystical - October 30, 2013 at 9:50 am
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing? - by Ayen - November 9, 2013 at 8:51 am

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