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why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom
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RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom
(October 15, 2013 at 1:26 pm)davidMC1982 Wrote: The easier "proof" of 4 * -5 = -20 is:

4 * -5 = -5 + -5 + -5 + -5 = -20 (it follows from the axiom a + -a = 0)

From that, you can prove that -5 * -4 = -20 by using the following (stolen) proof:

Let a and b be any two real numbers. Consider the number x defined by

x = ab + (-a)(b) + (-a)(-b).


We can write

x = ab + (-a)[ (b) + (-b) ] (factor out -a)
= ab + (-a)(0)
= ab + 0
= ab.

Also,

x = [ a + (-a) ]b + (-a)(-b) (factor out b)
= 0 * b + (-a)(-b)
= 0 + (-a)(-b)
= (-a)(-b).

So we have

x = ab
and
x = (-a)(-b)

Therefore

ab = (-a)(-b).

Fucking hell.

It's easy to understand that 5 * -4 = -20, because it's just 5 lots of -4, so for simpletons like me -5 * -4 must give an opposite answer of 20.
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why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by snowtracks - October 12, 2013 at 12:01 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Cato - October 12, 2013 at 12:48 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Captain Colostomy - October 12, 2013 at 1:46 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Minimalist - October 12, 2013 at 1:55 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by snowtracks - October 12, 2013 at 2:13 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Faith No More - October 12, 2013 at 2:16 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by snowtracks - October 12, 2013 at 3:00 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Aractus - October 12, 2013 at 2:51 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Faith No More - October 12, 2013 at 4:06 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Aractus - October 12, 2013 at 5:41 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Faith No More - October 12, 2013 at 8:43 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Bucky Ball - October 12, 2013 at 4:33 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by pocaracas - October 12, 2013 at 5:07 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by pocaracas - October 12, 2013 at 3:33 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Chas - October 12, 2013 at 8:13 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Tiberius - October 12, 2013 at 8:26 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Chas - October 12, 2013 at 8:50 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Tiberius - October 12, 2013 at 9:36 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Chas - October 12, 2013 at 10:33 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Tiberius - October 12, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Chas - October 12, 2013 at 5:43 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Tiberius - October 12, 2013 at 7:15 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Chas - October 12, 2013 at 7:28 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by davidMC1982 - October 15, 2013 at 1:26 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Norfolk And Chance - October 28, 2013 at 3:47 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Anomalocaris - October 12, 2013 at 9:10 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Brakeman - October 12, 2013 at 9:47 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Tiberius - October 12, 2013 at 10:07 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by snowtracks - October 12, 2013 at 12:20 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by LastPoet - October 12, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by bennyboy - October 13, 2013 at 3:26 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Aractus - October 13, 2013 at 10:27 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by bennyboy - October 13, 2013 at 3:31 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Aractus - October 16, 2013 at 7:37 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Brakeman - October 16, 2013 at 12:31 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by davidMC1982 - October 16, 2013 at 1:57 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by daandaan - October 13, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by John V - October 15, 2013 at 3:34 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by DLJ - October 16, 2013 at 12:44 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by pocaracas - October 16, 2013 at 1:13 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by DLJ - October 16, 2013 at 1:15 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by pocaracas - October 16, 2013 at 1:17 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by DLJ - October 16, 2013 at 1:18 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by pocaracas - October 16, 2013 at 1:25 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Chas - October 16, 2013 at 1:51 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by DLJ - October 16, 2013 at 1:55 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Anomalocaris - October 19, 2013 at 1:15 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Aractus - October 17, 2013 at 5:48 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by davidMC1982 - October 17, 2013 at 2:16 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Aractus - October 18, 2013 at 3:38 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by davidMC1982 - October 18, 2013 at 4:14 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Aractus - October 18, 2013 at 5:15 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by davidMC1982 - October 18, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Aractus - October 20, 2013 at 12:41 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Tiberius - October 18, 2013 at 3:48 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by pocaracas - October 18, 2013 at 5:45 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Polaris - October 20, 2013 at 12:53 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Tiberius - October 22, 2013 at 2:15 am
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Polaris - October 24, 2013 at 9:35 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Neo-Scholastic - October 28, 2013 at 4:13 pm
RE: why does (-5)*(-4)=20 ?, eom - by Neo-Scholastic - October 28, 2013 at 5:35 pm



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