Proving God Existence

[paulpablo]

The argument is basically saying the universe can't come from nothing because this is illogical because we have never seen anything come from nothing.

I'm sorry but you are wrong
It is not an argument it is a proof
and it doesn't tell that the universe didn't come from nothing because we didn't see anything come from nothing, it is saying that it is contradicting to logic to have anything from nothing

But the alternative you're providing is even more illogical, a being that does exist outside of existence that has actions outside of time that take time and a being that also makes decisions outside of time.

Also with no proof that the being is singular and has done this on its own.

it depends on your definition of time
If you use my definition which is a relation between two events then it does make sense

It doesn't make sense in the slightest.

You say it is contradicting to logic to have something come from nothing.

But your alternative is MUCH more illogical on so many levels.

If you consider that something coming from nothing is illogical because no one has ever seen something come from nothing or made a solid scientific theory about something coming from nothing then this is the same situation for the alternative you're proposing.

No one has ever seen and no one has ever made a solid scientific theory relating to the following things-

1) Beings which exist outside of time, because no one has ever observed what happens outside of time and certainly no scientific theory has been proposed that states a being would exist outside of time.

2) Beings which exist outside of the physical universe.

3) Decisions and thought processes being made outside of time, since it takes time for thought processes to be made.

4) Decisions and thought processes being made with no physical brain making them.

5) If time is a relation between two events and god is just one singular event this would make him having a complex brain impossible since brains are made from several parts.

6) There's still no explanation from you as to how a being outside of time and space causes floods on earth and turns sticks into snakes.


By the way I'm not saying the universe did come from nothing I'm saying I don't know what happened.