RE: What is a god?
December 6, 2008 at 7:29 pm
(This post was last modified: December 6, 2008 at 7:31 pm by LukeMC.)
(December 6, 2008 at 7:11 pm)CoxRox Wrote: So this being to me (and I may be way off mark) must in some way be 'part of' the universe, if the universe 'sprang' from it, but would necessarily be 'greater' maybe comprised of many dimensions, or different type of matter to ourselves.Hence your god is comprised of matter? Can this god therefore be manipulated like other matter? I know of no matter which is capable of thought, unless it is structed in a very specific way. To be capable of thought or desire, this force/matter must have a definate structure. If not, this force has no desires or thoughts and couldn't be the conscious creator of the universe. Therefore, it is just a type of matter which exists in many dimensions?
Quote: Maybe there is a kind of matter that does not decay, and vibrates and shimmers very beautifully and is 'endless' is some sense (just as time or parallel universes may be endless). Gosh this is getting hard. Anyway, it wouldn't have a brain like ours as it wouldn't be comprised of the elements that decay and that are finite and fixed for a set period of time.
It wouldn't have a brain like ours. Does this imply that it does have a brain, formed from this special non-decaying matter? Or does it not have a brain at all/ therefore just matter?
Quote:Good is part of the universe already. Everything works for the good of the organism, in some sense.
In a universe previous to life, good only exists as a retrospective concept of the living. Star formation wasn't "good", it just "happened". When life could appreciate the stars, it was then seen as "good" because it enabled them to live. But had there been no life, there would be no "good" nor "bad". These things are interpretations made by living things.
Quote:This force contains everything: good, bad, order, chaos, etc. All possibilities.
Is this a force or matter now? You are switchign between. And in what way does it "contain" those things? If it "contains" order, how is this expressed? How does this matter/force contain it? Or is it hardwired with the concepts? I'm failing to understand this part.
Quote:If there are infinite universes, maybe this being has always been 'creating' so it's not like it suddenly got bored one trillenium ago and thought I'll start making stuff.
How does it create? Because you have told me it is matter which can exist in all dimensions? Where did the dimensions come form? If this matter created them, how did it do so if it is thoughtless, desireless matter? Did it have a choice in the creation? What did it DO to create these things?
enjoy
![Smile Smile](https://atheistforums.org/images/smilies/smile.gif)
(December 6, 2008 at 7:08 pm)Ace Wrote: Try this approach...now think about this. You are opening your eyes for the first time and you look around and wonder. Now you test things like nearby objects by picking them up and dropping them. You test everything and in time you find out how things work through test and study. Later you come across the question "how I got here" and you look for the answers. Now out of nowhere you come across a person who has a claim. This person says, this god did it all. You think to yourself, how do you know that? This person says I can feel him or the bible says so.
Now this claim stands against years of you testing everything and learning about things through study and not with faith. So you ask for evidence but this person fails to bring any and so you don't believe it and dismiss the claim.
What you need to do, is look at the world and question it and think of ways to learn about it through study. Like picking up a rock to understand it's weight and mass instead of believing what it is or what it weighs.
so instead of saying god did it, you say what caused it and how can I study it.
You must study what you see through detection and understanding and with the gathering of evidence to support this knowledge. This is science and reason.
I want you, to let go of god altogether. Pretend you never heard of it. Answer your questions through other ways instead.
This would also work
![Tongue Tongue](https://atheistforums.org/images/smilies/tongue.gif)