Proving God Existence

[Muslim Scholar]

If god exists outside of time, then there is no time at which it could have created the universe.

You are confused by the time definition in Physics and the one that I used in my proof

I defined time as the relation between two events
When God created the universe there were no other events so there is no relation/time
that is why they call it Singularity

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So, the universe couldn't have just come from nothing, or couldn't have always existed because that's preposterous, but it makes sense that God, who always existed, created the universe from nothing.

My proof took a sequence of logic mandatory steps from a very simple fact to the conclusion

Refuting a proof doesn't go like this, you need either to show that my premises is false or a step doesn't lead to the next.

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You say it is contradicting to logic to have something come from nothing.

Yes, I even proved that not just said it.

But your alternative is MUCH more illogical on so many levels.

The conclusion came out from logic so it cannot be illogical (you don't make any sense here)

If you consider that something coming from nothing is illogical because no one has ever seen something come from nothing or made a solid scientific theory about something coming from nothing then this is the same situation for the alternative you're proposing.

I did not say that!

No one has ever seen and no one has ever made a solid scientific theory relating to the following things-

1) Beings which exist outside of time, because no one has ever observed what happens outside of time and certainly no scientific theory has been proposed that states a being would exist outside of time.

2) Beings which exist outside of the physical universe.

3) Decisions and thought processes being made outside of time, since it takes time for thought processes to be made.

4) Decisions and thought processes being made with no physical brain making them.

5) If time is a relation between two events and god is just one singular event this would make him having a complex brain impossible since brains are made from several parts.

6) There's still no explanation from you as to how a being outside of time and space causes floods on earth and turns sticks into snakes.


By the way I'm not saying the universe did come from nothing I'm saying I don't know what happened.

Remember that my proof is not based on science! it is based on Logic so it doesn't matter what science says at all
Science is subjected to be false or just correct in some situation or environment; Logic is always true

That is why the proof is irrefutable