(October 29, 2013 at 4:36 pm)Muslim Scholar Wrote: I defined time as the relation between two eventsBut that is precisely my point. Using your definition of time, god would have to exist in timeless state; an unchanging, perpetual "now". To quote Red Dwarf:
When God created the universe there were no other events so there is no relation/time that is why they call it Singularity
" So although you exist, you no longer exist in time, and for you time itself does not exist. You see, although you're still a mass, you are no longer an event in space-time, you are a non-event mass with a quantum probability of zero."
Quote:Refuting a proof doesn't go like this, you need either to show that my premises is false or a step doesn't lead to the next.Well ok, equating 'G' with a creator, let alone god, is an assertion, not a logical step. The 'first cause' need not be an entity and even if it were, it need not be conscious. The cause could just as easily be an inherent property.
(October 29, 2013 at 4:36 pm)Muslim Scholar Wrote:Unfortunely, you can get something from nothing. It happens everywhere, all the time. Unlike your "logical proofs", this has been proven to be true(October 29, 2013 at 2:49 am)paulpablo Wrote: You say it is contradicting to logic to have something come from nothing.Yes, I even proved that not just said it.