The Jesus Itinerary

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Jesus ministry never meet the expectations of the Jews because they were not paying attention to the prophecies written about Him, the same attitude that always got them into trouble with God in the OT.

Jesus' ministry never met the expectations of the Jews because the messiah (or "Christ") was supposed to be a glorious warlord that would lead the Jews from bondage and their nation Israel to ultimate victory over their enemies. The messiah was not supposed to be a meek and mild lamb of god being sacrificed for our sins to save all of humanity, chosen people and otherwise. Furthermore, the very notion of the intercessor with the divine is wholly blasphemous to Jewish theology.

You want find the prophecies in the OT calling Him a warlord. The Jews could never get it through their heads that God was dealing with the spiritual. The Messiah prophecies in the OT were about Him being God's Lamb, a servant to man and a sacrifice for mankind. You surely do not know the OT, Moses was an intercessor for the Jewish people, as was Joshua and the prophets. I do not go by Jewish theology, I read God's word and find the answers there, the Jewish people never really understood or cared what God was trying to do through them, but He accomplished it nevertheless.

One pursued a relationship with Yahweh, a god who was hardly out of reach to the heroes of the OT and a god who was insanely jealous and ceded the center stage to no one (the whole need for the nonsense of the Trinity was to weasel out of the intercessor-deity-in-a-monotheistic-religion conundrum). Neither did the Jews have any concept of Hell or salvation. The OT speaks of Sheol, or "the grave". Satan was a tempter working for Yahweh, not the bitter enemy since the time of creation.

They did have the concept of hell and salvation, I showed this in a post about a month ago, can't remember which thread. As I said above intercessors were the only way the common Jew could find out God's will or what ever else He had for them. The OT speaks of Satan as the enemy of God and man, you should read and come to a basic understanding of the OT as it is written.

There's a reason the Jews rejected all this crap. Christianity is not the successor to and fulfillment of Judaism. It's the bastard child of Judaism and Paganism. The maladjusted little brat grew up to hate both parents, in defiance of the 5th commandment, and tried to snuff both of them out.

The Jews were famous for rejecting God period, this is why they couldn't see what God was doing through them and paganism has no place in Christianity nor the OT, it was the defiant Jews who keep bringing it into their worship and using it to push God out of their live, so trusting them to know what God was and is about is a fail on your part.

Christ meant that Peter would be an early leader of the church,

Which still would prove my point. This is not something that you would do for someone who is not already in your fold.

No, it does not, Peter was not in the fold at their first meeting, he was called to be a disciple at their second meeting. Then chosen as an apostle just before the Sermon on the Plain. It was after this that Jesus told Peter he would be a leader in the ministry. This is all from the scriptures.

You are jumping to your own conclusions, you're not taking the scriptures as they are. Peter heard from Andrew that Jesus was the Messiah, Peter never acknowledges Jesus as the Son of God.

Both verses say "the Christ". This means "anointed one" or "messiah".

You are correct in the meaning, however Peter never personally acknowledged that Jesus was the Christ in the first nor the second meeting.

By the way, if Jesus is Yahweh, how is he an anointed one? Did Yahweh anoint himself? Seems rather pointless, don't you think?

Yahweh is the Trinity, Christ being one part of Yahweh. To "anoint" means to consecrate which means to devote solemnly to a purpose, which the Christ was, seems completely appropriate to me, what say you.

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