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Christianity vs Atheism
RE: Christianity vs Atheism
Quote:The creation of the universe is the greatest achievement imaginable.
The merit of an achievement consists of its intrinsic greatness and the ability of its creator.
The greater the handicap to the creator, the greater the achievement (would you be more impressed by Turner painting a beautiful landscape or a blind one-armed dwarf?)
The biggest handicap to a creator would be non-existence
Therefore if we suppose that the universe is the creation of an existing creator, we can conceive a greater being — namely, one who created everything while not existing.
Therefore, God does not exist.

http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?t...l_argument

and much more ontological tomfoolery.
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Christianity vs Atheism - by Informative2016 - October 29, 2013 at 2:39 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by Cinjin - October 29, 2013 at 2:42 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by Informative2016 - October 29, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by JesusHChrist - October 29, 2013 at 2:51 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by Informative2016 - October 29, 2013 at 3:09 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by Cinjin - October 29, 2013 at 3:12 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by freedomfromforum - October 29, 2013 at 3:16 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by Cinjin - October 29, 2013 at 3:18 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by JesusHChrist - October 29, 2013 at 3:17 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by Informative2016 - October 29, 2013 at 10:56 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by The Valkyrie - November 9, 2013 at 3:45 am
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by Ayen - November 9, 2013 at 4:05 am
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by Mister Agenda - October 30, 2013 at 11:20 am
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 9, 2013 at 2:26 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by Captain Colostomy - November 9, 2013 at 2:40 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 9, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by freedomfromforum - November 9, 2013 at 2:49 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by JesusHChrist - October 29, 2013 at 2:45 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by Informative2016 - October 29, 2013 at 2:53 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by Cinjin - October 29, 2013 at 2:56 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by Informative2016 - October 29, 2013 at 10:31 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by Lemonvariable72 - October 29, 2013 at 10:36 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by Neo-Scholastic - October 29, 2013 at 11:22 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by Lemonvariable72 - October 29, 2013 at 11:27 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by Doubting Thomas - October 30, 2013 at 12:12 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by Mister Agenda - October 30, 2013 at 12:24 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by freedomfromforum - October 30, 2013 at 11:22 am
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by JesusHChrist - October 29, 2013 at 2:56 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by Informative2016 - October 29, 2013 at 3:19 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by JesusHChrist - October 29, 2013 at 3:23 pm
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RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by Informative2016 - October 29, 2013 at 11:17 pm
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RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by freedomfromforum - October 29, 2013 at 2:46 pm
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RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by Informative2016 - October 29, 2013 at 11:32 pm
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RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by Cinjin - October 29, 2013 at 2:47 pm
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RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by freedomfromforum - October 29, 2013 at 3:11 pm
RE: Christianity vs Atheism - by Lion IRC - October 29, 2013 at 5:55 pm
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