(November 1, 2013 at 12:17 am)Lion IRC Wrote: Yeah. Thats what I thought.Why don't you try stating a coherent argument and I'll answer it. "What" means you failed to do so.
It's OK. Kids do that too as a defence mechanism when asked....did you eat all those cookies?
Quote:YOU were the one who was basing a theory on rival followers. Jesus' followers versus John the Baptist's followers.It's not conjecture. It's history. Hell, it's current events.
Quote:I have asked you to consider the likelihood that a very small number of Johns early followers (a.k.a. Mandaeans) may have not heard John the Baptist speak of Jesus because they werent there with John the Baptist non-stop 24/7/365 and that is why they, (unlike people who DID see and hear John speak with and to and about the Lamb of God) remained unconvinced about the Messiah. The Christ. The One who John the Baptist must have been thinking of as he was calling people to repent and be baptised - a voice crying out in the wilderness exactly the way Isaiah had....and I have already answered this. The conjecture of yours that the followers of John the Baptist missed the CORE MESSAGE of his teachings and made of a completely different fantasy about him seems as likely as the followers of Jesus deciding that Jesus' message was to worship Jupiter and Poseidon.
Quote:You STILL havent answered me on this. Whose advent was John preaching about?Who's advent was Jesus preaching about if not Muhammad? After all, Jesus came as a forerunner for Muhammad, right?
Oh, that's right, you don't believe what the Koran says about Jesus. Now you understand how I feel about you citing the Bible to understand what John the Baptist was preaching.
Quote:YOU were the one who was making assertions about Jesus' followers versus John the Baptist's followers.And once again, there are no bare assertions here. The followers of John the Baptist thought that JtB was the messiah. They didn't think John the Baptist was a mere forerunner any more than YOU consider Jesus to be a forerunner of Muhammad.
Try really hard. Think for just a minute about how you feel about Muslim claims that Jesus was a forerunner of Muhammad.
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Concentrate on that for just a moment.
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Think hard. I know it's difficult but even atrophied muscles can be rehabilitated.
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OK, now you understand what the Christians did to the followers of John the Baptist.
Quote:Man that is lame! I'm leaving this thread.Try putting together a coherent argument and maybe you won't be so frustrated.
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