I just read up this whole thread.
It's amazing how many brick walls one can talk too in a single debate.
I'll say this however, as an ex-Christian? Taking the historical context of the Bible literally is a mistake at times. Obviously, Genesis didn't really happen in 6 - 7 days and even the Bible gives doubt onto how any believer is to treat the historical time lines. Enter 2nd Peter, 3:8, the verse that says "A day to God may be a thousand years to man" (not a direct quote, just drawing from memory).
To my fellow new friends debating the constancy of the NT texts? Even if the historical facts are wrong, it wouldn't stop the Christian faith at all. Every Gospel generally has Christ repeating the same messages over and over. The moralistic and spiritual views are what's "important" to their faith, not the historical accuracy. This is why I know for sure that even when we are settling on entirely new worlds and have unified Earth under a single governing body without any signs of the Tribulation actually happening, the Christian belief will still go on, turning Christ into a western Buddha.
So, I'm just saying; arguing the logic of the Biblical scriptures is a pointless effort.
I could even go off and prove how the Judean faiths were simply evolution of older mythos but even then, that wouldn't convince any Christian of much at all.
And it's all because of the morals. Some of them, do in fact, make sense. I blame this on memetics.
Quote Ben Franklin who himself, was an Atheist. While he believed in no God nor the need for some Christ to save us from "sin", he did still, support the usage of "God" in the founding of the USA because of the Ethics that the Bible provides. Not all are good, but that time? It was better than most and was already in wide spread practice. What best way to translate new laws about Freedom of Choice than to utilize a religion that could other wise, do it for you? If the USA was founded by all Atheists, I dare say the country would have fell apart from the inside well before the Civil War even came to scratch old wounds.
That is a matter of a debate on a different thread though.
Cheers.
-=Ein=-
It's amazing how many brick walls one can talk too in a single debate.
I'll say this however, as an ex-Christian? Taking the historical context of the Bible literally is a mistake at times. Obviously, Genesis didn't really happen in 6 - 7 days and even the Bible gives doubt onto how any believer is to treat the historical time lines. Enter 2nd Peter, 3:8, the verse that says "A day to God may be a thousand years to man" (not a direct quote, just drawing from memory).
To my fellow new friends debating the constancy of the NT texts? Even if the historical facts are wrong, it wouldn't stop the Christian faith at all. Every Gospel generally has Christ repeating the same messages over and over. The moralistic and spiritual views are what's "important" to their faith, not the historical accuracy. This is why I know for sure that even when we are settling on entirely new worlds and have unified Earth under a single governing body without any signs of the Tribulation actually happening, the Christian belief will still go on, turning Christ into a western Buddha.
So, I'm just saying; arguing the logic of the Biblical scriptures is a pointless effort.
I could even go off and prove how the Judean faiths were simply evolution of older mythos but even then, that wouldn't convince any Christian of much at all.
And it's all because of the morals. Some of them, do in fact, make sense. I blame this on memetics.
Quote Ben Franklin who himself, was an Atheist. While he believed in no God nor the need for some Christ to save us from "sin", he did still, support the usage of "God" in the founding of the USA because of the Ethics that the Bible provides. Not all are good, but that time? It was better than most and was already in wide spread practice. What best way to translate new laws about Freedom of Choice than to utilize a religion that could other wise, do it for you? If the USA was founded by all Atheists, I dare say the country would have fell apart from the inside well before the Civil War even came to scratch old wounds.
That is a matter of a debate on a different thread though.
Cheers.
-=Ein=-
"He who so forgets history is doomed to repeat it." - Churchill
