RE: Proving God Existence
November 3, 2013 at 1:34 pm
(This post was last modified: November 3, 2013 at 2:03 pm by Muslim Scholar.)
(November 3, 2013 at 11:14 am)paulpablo Wrote: But the quran says that god did create the heavens and the earth from nothing, according to you this is impossible since god cannot do illogical things and something from nothing is illogical.And His Throne/dominion extends on the water - that He might manifest to you, which of you is best in action....” (Qur'an 11:7)
Most Islamic texts refer to some kind of water that God created everything from
Then he created heaven and earth from Smoke or vapor (Stardust)
He (the person asking) then said, “Messenger of God, what was the creation made of?” He (the Prophet) replied, “Water.” We (the Companions) asked, “What is Paradise built of?” He replied, “A brick of silver and another of gold, cemented with strongly aromatic musk. Its pebbles are pearls and rubies, and its ground is saffron. Whoever enters it has prospered (and) will not suffer; [he] has become immortal and will never die. His clothes will never wear out, and his youth will never fade.”
Quote:He said, "Nay, your Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth, He Who created them (from nothing): and I am a witness to this (Truth).It means that they didn't exist
Quote:But what you are saying is that god did not create everything he just manipulated what was already there which was static and made it variable.This is what Logic mandates!
Quote:Does man not remember that We created him before, while he was nothing?Yes, it means the second
He said also: Created him from dust
Created him from a sperm, etc.
Quote:Most of these examples from the quran also go against your logic.It is very common in language to say nothing as a figure of speech,
You cannot create something while it is nothing.
Also you said something cannot come from nothing so also the translation "out of nothing" also makes no sense.
like to say: "You are nothing" which means almost nothing or nothing compared to me
Quote:Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, "Be," and it is.God didn't use a mechanism that we can understand to create things, it is just one action by himself
(November 3, 2013 at 9:04 am)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote: [quote='Muslim Scholar' pid='536899' dateline='1383482718']
Correction!
Nothing existed before God because God didn't have a start
Nothing "Variable" could exist with God as well in the begining
This logic doesn't deny the existence of other things with God as long as they are static/constants
Sorry, that solves nothing. Either god created those other things (which still leaves the timeless state problem), or those things already existed (which means god did not create all things).
When God says that he created everything, it means everything in the universe of everything we know