(November 3, 2013 at 1:34 pm)Muslim Scholar Wrote:Again, this just creates more problems. If god didn't create everything, there's no reason to believe he created anything. If saying that god is the 'first cause' is an exaggeration, why should we stop there? What is there to say that the rest of it isn't an exaggeration also?Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote:Sorry, that solves nothing. Either god created those other things (which still leaves the timeless state problem), or those things already existed (which means god did not create all things).Yes, it means the second
When God says that he created everything, it means everything in the universe of everything we know
This also goes against your own argument in the OP:
Muslim Scholar Wrote:Part III(Emphasis added)
Trying to figure some necessary/definitive attributes for G
1. G is the creator/initiator of the Universe
2. G is unique
3. G has actions (p)
4. G is outside time, G must be one unit as if there are more than one entity time can be related to each other, but as time did not exist, then G is one UN-separated self-dependent unit
(The Eternal, The one, The self sufficient)
5. G is outside and separate from the Universe
6. G has a will; as if he didn’t then creating/starting the universe must be initiated from an external source which contradicts with the (proved) non-existence of time.
7. As G is unique and not similar to matter in the universe, he doesn’t have an image (an image is a reflection of light from objects; objects are constructed from molecules and atoms)
Any religion that claims an image for God is a false religion by default
You also hit the problem that creationists love to bring up in order to argue that the universe must have been created at a finite point in the past. Basically, if god is eternal, then the amount of time god before created the universe was infinite. Since, by definition, you can't reach the end of infinity, the point at which god created the universe can never have happened. Now, I know why this argument isn't valid but I'm interested in whether or not you know
