RE: Proving God Existence
November 6, 2013 at 1:23 am
(This post was last modified: November 6, 2013 at 2:11 am by Muslim Scholar.)
(November 4, 2013 at 6:38 am)bennyboy Wrote:I don't know what do you mean by timeless(November 4, 2013 at 2:36 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Because infinite events is impossibleI think if you insist on a cognitive (especially anthropomorphic) God, you're hooped. Thinking is an action, and God is timeless, therefore He cannot think. Creation is an action, and God is timeless, therefore He cannot create. "Possible" means "non-zero of event "E" at time "t."
but there is a first event even for God
Quote:If you make God the emobodiment of necessary facts (like numbers etc.), then you might have a case.You are trying to understand the nature of God; Which is impossible
You can't find numbers anywhere in the universe, and yet they represent relationships which are obviously true. The same goes for formulas, shapes, etc. You never have a perfect circle in the universe-- and yet all those crude slightly-off circles obviously represent an underlying truth.
The summary is that some attributes of God can be proved by logic (his existence is one of them)
(November 4, 2013 at 11:19 am)paulpablo Wrote: So when the quran says god is the originator and creator of the universe the quran is being wrong on purpose because people would have been too common to understand the quran if it actually told people what is correct?there is a big difference between wrong and a figure of speech
God is the creator of the universe is very clear in Quran
by the way about the origin
there is 2 Islamic schools
1 God created the first "Water"
2 God didn't create it
there is no clear statement in Quran about that
Also my proof only proves the necessity for a doer for each action; creating something from nothing is not the same issue (it may or may not be valid)
(November 5, 2013 at 7:57 am)Dragonetti Wrote: Religious people do not understand, that they are making the claim. When making a claim for the existence and presents of a super being, you have to provide hard factual evidence of existence. We do not care about how you feel about the super being. We want real hardcore pornographic evidence of such existence. Why do I have to disprove something that has not been proven. The mythical books are not evidence.I gave the proof
I feel this! I claim I can move objects with my thoughts. I wrote it down in a green book, so it must be true! Now you must disprove this!
You have to either refute it or accept it.