RE: What is a god?
December 6, 2008 at 8:19 pm
(This post was last modified: December 6, 2008 at 8:22 pm by CoxRox.)
Luke you said: ''What purpose do we humans have other than the purposes which we set for ourselves?
The laws of the universe may "seem to have purpose" in the same way that the sun "seemed to be orbitting the earth". The question then being "well what would it look like if it were the earth orbitting the sun?". The answer being the same.
The two suppositions that there is purpose in us and the laws of the universe is very shakey. It would require that the creator gave these purposes. Does this creator give an individual purpose to every human being? Does it therefore have a plan for us? Does it care about us? And in giving us a "purpose", are we expected to fulfill it, or are we destined to? And with us having purpose, this would explain the benevolence of the force (I sound so jedi), or does it?'
Maybe purpose is like the laws. The laws are fixed, they have to be a certain way. Life which is dependant on these laws, gives rise to purpose, they are mutally exclusive??
''What purpose do muslim extremists pose? Is their purpose part of a grander plan, such as increasing our awareness and forcing us to end religion? (as an example) And therefore are these lives basically a sacrifice? What purpose do our wars have? Is the force really benevolent if it have given us all a purpose and these purposes have led to so much pain and suffering?''
Pain, suffering, people having different ideas about purposes or what they should do... This being or force 'includes' pain and suffering and choice for us (limited though it probably is). They must therefore be necessary ingredients, just as the law of gravity is necessary for existence. Stands to reason...
I disagree with your interpretation of our discussion. I got the impression you hadn't read the whole post, just the first one by Luke. If you had read it all and still made that assumption, then I'm very surprised at your conclusion and as Katherine Tate's old granny character would say: 'what a fackin liberty'....
The laws of the universe may "seem to have purpose" in the same way that the sun "seemed to be orbitting the earth". The question then being "well what would it look like if it were the earth orbitting the sun?". The answer being the same.
The two suppositions that there is purpose in us and the laws of the universe is very shakey. It would require that the creator gave these purposes. Does this creator give an individual purpose to every human being? Does it therefore have a plan for us? Does it care about us? And in giving us a "purpose", are we expected to fulfill it, or are we destined to? And with us having purpose, this would explain the benevolence of the force (I sound so jedi), or does it?'
Maybe purpose is like the laws. The laws are fixed, they have to be a certain way. Life which is dependant on these laws, gives rise to purpose, they are mutally exclusive??
''What purpose do muslim extremists pose? Is their purpose part of a grander plan, such as increasing our awareness and forcing us to end religion? (as an example) And therefore are these lives basically a sacrifice? What purpose do our wars have? Is the force really benevolent if it have given us all a purpose and these purposes have led to so much pain and suffering?''
Pain, suffering, people having different ideas about purposes or what they should do... This being or force 'includes' pain and suffering and choice for us (limited though it probably is). They must therefore be necessary ingredients, just as the law of gravity is necessary for existence. Stands to reason...
(December 6, 2008 at 8:18 pm)bozo Wrote:(December 6, 2008 at 8:09 pm)CoxRox Wrote: Ask Luke if I've not been giving him 'straight answers'. They may be a load of crap at the end of the day, but we've been having a good go at trying to describe how a god could be. Your negativity is unwarranted I think.CR, I have often been accused of being negative in my opinions...invariably because I hold a line, answer directly, and keep to the point.
I disagree with your interpretation of our discussion. I got the impression you hadn't read the whole post, just the first one by Luke. If you had read it all and still made that assumption, then I'm very surprised at your conclusion and as Katherine Tate's old granny character would say: 'what a fackin liberty'....
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