And Hells come back to haunt me

[themonkeyman]

I'll say to you like I have others death will answer this question ultimately.

GC

Listen, I'm being completely serious here: you don't know that. You are just threatening people now, and pretending to know things that you don't know.

I would remind you that this precise line was what got savedbygracethrufaith banned. Cut the shit: there's literally no useful or helpful purpose for that line.

See the problem is that your Bible creates a little loop paradox here.

Two verses.

John 3:13 - No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.

Matthew 18:9 - And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.

So literally put If you 'THINK' you have been to HEAVEN or HELL then you are contradicting the very bible as it is explicitly said that no one has ever went and returned.

So therefore @GC your argument is weakened in that you have no evidence that anything does happen. Because the only source of proof and the bible makes sure that you cant even leave room for doubt.

The other problem is that God (YAHWEH) in the Old Testament / Angels even Elijah and Enoch all ascended up and down. Heck even Michael the ArchAngel came down from heaven so Johns statement directly contradicts the idea of the Virgin Birth as where did the Angel go as clearly according to the Infallible word of God it could not go back to heaven!

So I ask basied on your bible that we can deomostrate has a contridcition everywhere how do you maintain your faith of an Afterlife when even the OT (Half your Book) is absolutely silent on it.