Refuting fundamentalists

[kılıç_mehmet]

Agreed.

Strongly disagree. I've seen many "biological families" fall apart to not fall for this illusion of the perfect family. Such things are rare if they exist at all. Biological or not parents are susceptible to the same mistakes.

@ mehmet, the mere fact that you think people go through the trouble of having a family just to mock your "model" really reveals how mature you are. Are you saying that the only reason heteros deserve to marry and have a family is because they have a basis in tradition? Wow. Uhm, everyone has a right to have a family as long as everything's consensual, I especially like how you tried to make equality sound like a dirty word and a crazy concept.

Well, I do believe that this is not a battle of rights, but of concepts. Its was never about rights, but only social acceptance. The current form of family denies gays social acceptance by merely existing. So either you must find a way to destroy its credibility in the eyes of the people, or abolish it completely.

By consensual, you really don't ask for the child's consent when you create it by natural ways, and you sure don't ask for the child's consent when you give it away from an orphanage. You simply look at the family itself. And until now, only married heterosexual couples were allowed to adopt children. The gay rights movement needed to grant gays the right to marriage in order to grant them the rights to adopt children, as a non-married couple will not be able to adopt a child. So I still stand by my point that this is not a matter of rights. And yes indeed, equality as I had said before, is only amongst equals. The basis of tradition is not one that is so easily discarded. By trying to do this, you will obviously generate a lot heat, and replying to it with claims of moral superiority only makes you look ridiculous.
Besides, I still don't think that you actually give a damn about children.
I'd say that even a less well functioning nuclear family would breed less confusion and less social stigma for a child than a homosexual family would.

To think that we can protect our children from the realities of life is simply unrealistic. Children will always encounter some form of hardships concerning something or another, whether it be their weight, the acne on their faces, the glasses they wear, the clothes they wear, etc.

If we lived in a perfect world, children would not get picked on for anything because there would be no ignorance that would breed the type of bigotry to get them picked on by others.

Well, children will face hardships true, but hardships based on those who are their parents are usually the ones that hit them the hardest. I could stand up for anything that people say to me. May it be my looks, may it be my accent, may it be my glasses, though I don't wear any, or may it be my social standing within the school that is the combination of any, but I claim that if anyone would dare to insult my mother, I'd probably act violent. And usually people do not have a lot reasons to insult someone's mother, especially if she is known to be a either a housewife, or an honest working woman. But if my mother were to be a whore, or anyone of a similar occupation, even though she's my mother, I'd have to deal with the stigma of what the occupation brings with itself. As we don't live in a perfect world, I too would be a part of it, as a child of someone I wil never even meet, I'm a child of an hour's worth of money.

Similarly, the child that is being raised by homosexuals will face these, and in addition, will face problems concerning the reality. While the kids at school have a mother and father, he/she has two mothers or two fathers. Explaining this to a child is particularly hard, and even harder to explain to him/her how children come to be, and how does it come that one of his/her parents is not of the opposite sex. Confusion. Nothing more. This is why I consider same-sex parenthood to be undesirable and harmful to children.
Even worse are those who use surrogacy to have children, something that is ethically very debatable, concerning the use of women as incubating agents, but is again promoted by the same people.

So I'd again say, this debate is one that disregards children, so that gays can feel more normal about themselves, and society accepts them on the same level as heterosexuals.

And this kind of thinking is only the mere perpetuation of the problems that need to be eradicated.

Well, these problems as you call them, are not due to us, they are due to the pushing of homosexual agenda into the normally well functioning social institutions.

I know a wonderful family. Here's the situation:

The aunt is still not the mother though, so it defeats the purpose.