Refuting fundamentalists

[kılıç_mehmet]

And you could make the same kind of argument about racial segregation years back. "What society prefers," isn't always what's right.

And segregation was lifted. Not modified.
Either you abolish a something completely or you don't.

And the notion that social change for the better only occurs when we don't kowtow to what always has been and instead move toward what's actually right and equal, in accordance with factual accuracy means nothing to you, huh?

And I have already said that heterosexual and homosexual couples not equal on the basis of their lack of both social relevance, and natural abilities to produce children.
And of course, you claim that this is right, while I proclaim that this is wrong, on the basis of its opposition to the most fundamental concepts of society.

Except that the basis only need be perception, and not reality: witchburning was a tradition because there was the perception that magic was real, when the reality was different. That's why the appeal to tradition is such an egocentric clusterfuck: you're completely disregarding the possibility that people could ever be wrong about anything, and ever need to change.

Well, when reality is only reality when its based on your perception as it seems. Let me fill you on another reality. Homosexuals cannot mate with eachother. How about that? Real enough for you?
That's the basis of the traditions regarding the institutions of marriage and parenthood. The ability to procreate.

Does it? Got any more than a flat assertion?

Well, since it has been passed down from generation to generation, it is a tradition, and since there are values that are associated with it, which have been passed down from generation to generation, and have also been protected by a legal power, I'd say that its not assertion, but a fact.

Said the slaver to the abolitionist. Said the racist to the equal rights protestor. Said the misogynist to the suffragette. And so on, and so forth.

And I say, if you think that this is in any ways related to what I have to say on marriage abolish marriage.
Abolish marriage and all that it stands for. At least you'd be honest in what you do. Right now, I only see hypocrisy in this whole gay marraige and gay parenting crap.