Refuting fundamentalists

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And segregation was lifted. Not modified.
Either you abolish a something completely or you don't.

And just why the hell should we stick to this binary?

And I have already said that heterosexual and homosexual couples not equal on the basis of their lack of both social relevance, and natural abilities to produce children.

And again, the former point is your side stacking the deck, because your side has spent so long stamping out any mention of homosexuality in the wider culture. You can't make something unequal and then claim that there's some other reason based in facts as to why this is so. As to your second point, I assume you're also against infertile heterosexual couples adopting.

And of course, you claim that this is right, while I proclaim that this is wrong, on the basis of its opposition to the most fundamental concepts of society.

Because society is always right on every point and never wrong, which is why slavery is still legal in America. Gotcha.

Well, when reality is only reality when its based on your perception as it seems. Let me fill you on another reality. Homosexuals cannot mate with eachother. How about that? Real enough for you?

Factually wrong, too!

That's the basis of the traditions regarding the institutions of marriage and parenthood. The ability to procreate.

Which is why you're also against infertile, old, or single people raising children, yes. You also believe that widows should have their children taken away from them, as should divorcees, and the moment a parent leaves to go away for a while, the children should be taken from the other one, because single humans can't reproduce by themselves.

You believe all this because the reason you're arguing here is based entirely on the premise you stated above, and not at all on an inbuilt homophobia that you're trying to cloak because you understand that the petty opinions of a bigot aren't good enough reason for other people to bend to your whims.

Well, since it has been passed down from generation to generation, it is a tradition, and since there are values that are associated with it, which have been passed down from generation to generation, and have also been protected by a legal power, I'd say that its not assertion, but a fact.

Yet more baseless appeals to tradition.

And I say, if you think that this is in any ways related to what I have to say on marriage abolish marriage.
Abolish marriage and all that it stands for. At least you'd be honest in what you do. Right now, I only see hypocrisy in this whole gay marraige and gay parenting crap.

It's related to your senseless appeals to what's traditional, genius.

And what, exactly, is hypocritical about gay people wanting the same symbolic and legal status as a couple that straight people have?