Refuting fundamentalists

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That's a nonnegotiable point. That's what rights mean. It's something everyone deserves, you don't take it away for petty reasons, by doing so you're in the wrong. Esquillax has already compared this to slavery being socially acceptable but fundamentally it disregards a whole slew of human rights. By saying it's all about acceptance, you have no concept of right and wrong, all you know is to listen to the majority. Therefore you really have no point to argue at all since I live in a society where the majority support gay marriage, so you are the one who'll be the misfit here and should be, according to you, abolished completely.

No, its not something everyone deserves. IF everyone deserves freedom, why are there still prisons? Obviously, not everyone deserves everything, neither is everyone equal with everyone on certain things.
And as for your comparison of slavery, slavery was abolished. Not modified as to allow slaves to own slaves, by which they would have become equal with their masters in owning slaves.
This is what you're trying to do to marriage.

This doesn't support your point at all. They were denied their rights, they have now successfully claimed it. Again I refer you to the slavery and abolition of slavery.

They were denied their rights? What bullshit. They never were part of the marital institution, let alone of society, they walked the back-alleys of society before the notion of them marrying could even be fathomed.
Refer to me nothing, as the abolition of slavery has nothing to do with it. The slaves never even campaigned for their rights, as they had no rights. They were given to them after slavery itself was abolished.
And again, I say abolished not modified. Giving slaves "rights" and equality is to grant them the right to own slaves.

The concept of equality is that EVERYONE is equal. Not that you decide who is equal. That practice is the opposite of equality.

If the man who has worked for his food and the man who has stolen for his food are equal, I'll agree on what you say. The homosexuals, while having no part in the creation of perpetration of the marital instituion, claim rights on it, I'd say that its equal to the thief, which steals for his bread, while the heterosexuals have maintained this tradition when the homosexuals were confined to the darkest corners of society. And truly, they had no real relevance to society back then, as they have no relevance to society today. So what renders them equal with the people who have been part of this insitution from its very beginning?

Bare assertions. Dismissed as such.

So try to discard the traditions related to marriage. It won't be marriage anymore. For example, discard fidelity. Claim that in a marriage, its okay for one of the parties to go on and have an extra-marital relationship.

Oh yea you know me so fucking well.

Your words speak for themselves.

Bare assertion. Tell that to the kids who were sent to camps to "correct" their homosexuality. I think they'd have fared a lot better with loving parents homo or hetero, who would accept who they are, instead of thinking there's something wrong with them that needs to be abolished because society doesn't like it.

Then your suggestion is we give homo kids to homo parents? Really you're not making any sense at all.