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I poise a question.
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RE: I poise a question.
(November 24, 2013 at 7:58 pm)FiniteImmortal Wrote: Logically, God cannot be anything but good; he can't violate his own existence.

The question is, assuming this being 'God' exists, how do you know he's God?

Quote:The question you raised self-implodes on it self, because the context is invalid. Its like asking what happens when an unstoppable force hits an immovable object.

Strictly speaking (and ignoring the impossibility of those things given the way the world is), that "paradox" is solvable: The two things pass through each other. Thus, the Unstoppable Force isn't stopped and the Immovable Object isn't moved. Wink

More to the point, you seemed to not have realized that no matter how you answer the question "Can God lie?" can be circumvented by a being who is omnipotent and omniscient. If the being who you call God shows up and says "I do not lie.", how do you know that's true, especially when given its capabilities it could easily fool you into thinking it doesn't.

Quote:Its like saying "God is all powerful and can do anything in existence, including not be ". God is bound by reality, just as we are. God cannot violate his own character or he would cease to be God. If God was "lying", such as us men do, then he couldn't be the standard for perfection and the absolute reference point for reality, as his infinite perfection would become finite an limited, and hence... not God.

You assume there is a being whom is the paradigm of goodness itself. That's just assuming what you're being asked to evidence.

Quote:God cannot be actually and wholly Evil. Evil cannot exist on its own, it can only exist as an aberration of good. This is actually the portrait scripture paints of Satan, who was once good but through his own freewill became corrupted and is called "the father of lies".

Not only is this an instance of you trying to shove your ethical ontology on us, but you're misunderstanding your own ontology. And this is a problem with Christian theology. Their ethical ontology is literally just a Platonism rip-off (in terms of how it's employed by apologists), they don't realize what that metaphysical view does to the rest of their metaphysics. Since under your view (which is an example of Platonist influence on Christian thought) ONLY God is good, you can't say anything else is good. They are just pale reflections of what is actually good on your view: God. So on your view, to say anything besides God is actually good is a contradiction in terms.
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I poise a question. - by bladevalant546 - November 22, 2013 at 1:24 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Godschild - November 22, 2013 at 1:48 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Sejanus - November 22, 2013 at 2:02 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Godschild - November 22, 2013 at 4:05 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by max-greece - November 22, 2013 at 2:16 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Godlesspanther - November 25, 2013 at 3:19 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by Godschild - November 25, 2013 at 7:47 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by Godlesspanther - November 25, 2013 at 8:27 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by Godschild - November 25, 2013 at 11:55 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by Godlesspanther - November 26, 2013 at 12:17 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Godschild - November 26, 2013 at 10:07 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by bladevalant546 - November 22, 2013 at 2:12 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Avodaiah - November 22, 2013 at 3:42 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 22, 2013 at 5:58 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Avodaiah - November 26, 2013 at 5:23 am
RE: I poise a question. - by max-greece - November 22, 2013 at 3:59 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by Cyberman - November 22, 2013 at 5:44 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Angrboda - November 22, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by bladevalant546 - November 22, 2013 at 9:16 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Cyberman - November 22, 2013 at 3:50 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by TheBeardedDude - November 22, 2013 at 4:20 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by FiniteImmortal - November 24, 2013 at 7:58 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by Bipolar Bob - November 24, 2013 at 10:31 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by FiniteImmortal - November 24, 2013 at 10:56 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by MindForgedManacle - November 24, 2013 at 11:23 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by FiniteImmortal - November 25, 2013 at 12:16 am
RE: I poise a question. - by MindForgedManacle - November 25, 2013 at 1:30 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Lion IRC - November 25, 2013 at 2:17 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Esquilax - November 25, 2013 at 9:05 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 25, 2013 at 9:07 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Lion IRC - November 25, 2013 at 5:12 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by Esquilax - November 25, 2013 at 10:49 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by Lion IRC - November 26, 2013 at 12:18 am
RE: I poise a question. - by FiniteImmortal - November 25, 2013 at 3:36 am
RE: I poise a question. - by MindForgedManacle - November 25, 2013 at 12:20 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by TheBeardedDude - November 26, 2013 at 1:16 pm
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RE: I poise a question. - by TheBeardedDude - November 26, 2013 at 1:41 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by Drich - November 24, 2013 at 10:53 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by Cinjin - November 25, 2013 at 5:41 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by Fruity - November 24, 2013 at 11:06 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by Owlix - November 25, 2013 at 12:34 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Minimalist - November 25, 2013 at 2:24 am
RE: I poise a question. - by MindForgedManacle - November 25, 2013 at 2:25 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Lion IRC - November 25, 2013 at 2:56 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 25, 2013 at 6:47 am
RE: I poise a question. - by FiniteImmortal - November 25, 2013 at 8:12 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 25, 2013 at 1:28 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by Bad Writer - November 25, 2013 at 1:46 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by Darkstar - November 25, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by Bad Writer - November 25, 2013 at 6:29 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by MindForgedManacle - November 26, 2013 at 1:17 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Cinjin - November 26, 2013 at 1:34 am
RE: I poise a question. - by FiniteImmortal - November 26, 2013 at 6:46 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 26, 2013 at 9:00 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 26, 2013 at 9:12 am
RE: I poise a question. - by MindForgedManacle - November 26, 2013 at 12:38 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by Bad Writer - November 26, 2013 at 10:13 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by Godschild - November 27, 2013 at 12:27 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Bad Writer - November 27, 2013 at 1:51 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Godschild - November 27, 2013 at 6:36 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 27, 2013 at 9:10 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Lion IRC - November 28, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by Godlesspanther - November 28, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by Bad Writer - November 28, 2013 at 3:13 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by Bad Writer - November 27, 2013 at 8:36 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Brian37 - November 27, 2013 at 9:19 am
RE: I poise a question. - by Cyberman - November 28, 2013 at 3:22 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 28, 2013 at 5:13 pm
RE: I poise a question. - by Godlesspanther - November 28, 2013 at 8:38 pm



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