(November 30, 2013 at 12:13 am)Rayaan Wrote: What would be a non-barbaric punishment for a crime, then? Besides, "barbaric" is subjective, to some degree.
Lashing is probably less barbaric than the CIA's abusive torture techniques (which most people don't even know anything about):
http://www.salon.com/2007/06/21/cia_sere/
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/02/g...doing.html
Yep waterboarding techniques are dreadful, as are other sensory torture techniques. Both are terrible and neither have any place in a civilised world. Thankfully the overwhelming majority of the developed world does not subscribe to physical torture/beatings, certainly the legal code in say, Britain, does not dish out anything like this level of brutality. Illegal millitary incursions aside, the INTERNAL justice systems of practically every developed country have abolished beatings/lashings/whippings/stonings and sensory torture long long ago.
(November 27, 2013 at 6:10 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: It's difficult to imagine how one can reform the process of stoning/lashing someone for a crime.
(November 30, 2013 at 12:13 am)Rayaan Wrote: Islam does allow you to reform (right after committing a crime) - and thereby avoid the stoning/lashing punishments entirely - which is simply by repenting, making an intent never to return to that sin, and that you never reveal your sin to anyone. If a Muslim who committed adultery does those three things and if there are no witnesses against him (there has to be at least 4) and if no one can present a strong evidence for his crime to a judge, then he cannot be punished even if he is guilty.
There is much more flexibility in the Islamic penal system than that which you can learn about by reading the article below:
Reflections on the Islamic Penal Law (by Faysal Burhan)
So if someone rapes a child (let's say a 14 year old girl) whilst nobody is watching, but then pleads forgiveness and pledges to reform themselves etc, they will essentially not be punished? I wonder how difficult it is to convince an ignorant and foolish sharia court that someone is very sorry for what they did and that they intend to never do it again? Where is the justice for the family of the victim then? Or do the family simply disown the victim as appears to be the case in many high profile stories over the last few years?
Even if the criminal is honestly sorry for their crimes and is let off, who monitors their 'intention' to lead a better life from there on after, and how can justice be seen to be done to the family of the victim (or the victim themselves for that matter?). If the criminal is not sorry but is able to fool the court in to believing he is sorry, then even more of a fuck-up has taken place.
This legal system is utterly ridiculous, it is based on the assumption that some things are crimes but cease to be crimes so long as the criminal submits to some absurd notion of god. Justice is essentially completely suspended. This is why we hear so much of rape victims being told to marry their abusers, or rape victims been punished for adultery by way of lashings and beatings etc, and this from some of the wealthier gulf and north african states. This is why the developed world sees Islamic legal traditions as dated and backwards. It aids neither reform NOR justice for victims and relatives. I'm sure you can reply with some fantastic examples of just how flexible the amazingly unflexible islamic way of life is, but I think most of us have heard more than enough over the past few years on what Islamic justice looks like.
(June 19, 2013 at 3:23 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Most Gays have a typical behavior of rejecting religions, because religions consider them as sinners (In Islam they deserve to be killed)
(June 19, 2013 at 3:23 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: I think you are too idiot to know the meaning of idiot for example you have a law to prevent boys under 16 from driving do you think that all boys under 16 are careless and cannot drive properly
