Man's morality

[Godlesspanther]

There is no doubt that there are people who were atheists (did not believe in any sort of gods) and had a religious conversion and are now believers. People can and do have profound changes in their thinking. I do, however, think that ex-atheists are rare. Usually I suspect that this declaration is a lie. Here are the reasons:

1. Most (but not all) of the "ex-atheists" can't provide a description of their lack of faith that seems sincere and is consistent with descriptions from current atheists.

Fallacy of composition

2. The numbers don't work. Atheists are a growing population in most countries. If all these "former atheists" were genuine, we would see the opposite trend.

Argumentum ad populum

3. Religion follows fads. I remember back in the 70s-90s there were all these "ex-satanists" -- after the satanic panic bullshit ran its course and the new atheist movement took hold all these "ex-satanists" vanished and "ex-atheists." started appearing.

This 'Base rate fallacy' is easily explained away. If there was a surge of Satanists, then there would be more people who worship satan that could potentially be converted. Likewise is there are more atheists, then that would broaden the pool of likly converts as well.

4. It's a cheap ploy "I used to be an atheist just like you so i understand where you are coming from." Bullshit.

'Appeal to probablity'

I did not say that there are no ex-atheists. But that they are extremely rare.

If one were an atheist, and were converted, then wouldn't it be plausiable that this person would have a heart for his former douche bag peers, and want to spend his ministry trying to help the one or two who may have been just angry at religion as he was?

Ex-christians, however, are becoming more and more common as the days go by thanks to people like Drich who make xtianity so repulsive that normal people will have nothing to do with that shit.

The primary problem with Christianity is that 'Christian's' are not teaching from the bible any more. They are telling people what they want to hear. The problem there is that when the people being told what they want to hear, find out what they have been told is not true, they feel betrayed and want to seperate from the church.

I am not one who will say something just because people want to hear it.

Either you have no concept of these logical fallacies or how they work or you are just playing dumb. I suspect the latter.

If you need a refresher:

https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/659/03/

http://www.theskepticsguide.org/resource...Fresources

Yes, it would be good to look up a logical fallacy to get an idea as to how to apply it correctly. None of the logical fallacies that you have accused me of match up to what i was actually saying.

You have access to internet search engines just as much as I do. You are without excuse.