(December 4, 2013 at 7:59 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote:(December 2, 2013 at 10:20 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: Yes.Demonstrate how your happiness and contentment are byproducts of your religion and I'll do the same for my atheism. I doubt you're equipped for the challenge.
I'm happy. I dont have a drug problem. I dont want for anything. I'm a pacifist. I'm not depressed. Have no self-harm issues. And money cant buy any of the the things which are most precious in my life.
My religion holds that we are not the efficient cause of our own existence.
I wouldn't even exist if not for The Creator referred to by my religion.
Me and my parents and their parents and theirs, have something to be grateful for BUT in addition, unlike you, I have Someone to be grateful to.
What have you got?
Your religion - the no God hypothesis - is like looking at a temporary Christmas present under a temporary Christmas tree and thinking no one put it there, it just randomly appeared, there's no one to thank. No gratitude needed. Christmas presents are neither created nor destroyed. They have always been there. And it won't matter whether you open it or throw it in the trash can or ignore it.
The past-eternal, uncaused, perpetual universe won't know and 'IT' won't care about what happened with a few microscopic specs of carbon in your family living room at Christmas time.
...2013 years after a man named Jesus came to plead to humans that God DOES care.
Even if you are as happy (richly blessed) as me, what you temporarily have is accidental and random and ultimately pointless, because it is ALL the ongoing consequence of unguided, uncaring, unintelligent happenstance.
Merry Christmas everyone.