RE: God is timeless
December 5, 2013 at 12:23 pm
(This post was last modified: December 5, 2013 at 12:25 pm by Rational AKD.)
(December 5, 2013 at 12:04 pm)pocaracas Wrote: If we're making up a mega being, might as well be one that can do anything it wants, at least in what concerns creating and destroying stuff...
as Dr. Craig puts it, it's no more of a constraint or a limitation than to say he can't create a square circle or a married bachelor. it is evidence God can't do the logically impossible.
Quote:The properties of the god-universe interaction after the universe is made does not explain "how" it got made. Beware of language pitfalls when discussing these things...why? why is it ridiculous to say "God created time"? because this suggests a time that he did so? sure, the beginning of time time was created. what is ridiculous about that? if you're saying this suggests a prior cause that created time, I would have to disagree. there can exist simultaneous causations in time, such as the relationship of the chandelier in relation to the ceiling. the ceiling causes the chandelier to be hung, but there was no point in time before the chandelier was hung that the ceiling supported the chandelier. thus we have an example of a simultaneous causation, which proves the cause does not need to happen before the effect. so the act of God creating time does not entail him creating time before time.
I mean, the very expression "god created" suggests it was done in the past... but that event should take place, out of our universe's space-time domain...
(December 5, 2013 at 12:04 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: It's not a red herring to ask for evidence of something that is presumed to exist in an assertion (which is what the OP, I believe, was alluding to).it's a red herring to try and divert from a topic inquiring how God can exist timelessly to the topic inquiring for evidence of his existence. and no, it's not what the OP was alluding to, he was asking for understanding not evidence.
(December 5, 2013 at 12:08 pm)LastPoet Wrote: I can read what you post. Just not seriously.
well then I will take your posts as comic relief rather than substantive contribution. all you can seem to do when the topic is over your head.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.
-Galileo
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