(December 5, 2013 at 2:16 pm)FreeTony Wrote: Ok, you really need a better understanding of science and the difference between an observation, hypothesis and theory. It would take me a while to correct everything you've said, but the most important thing is this:
If you can't test whether something has a property, you can't say it has that property.
tested in what manor. if you mean tested by experiment, then you will have to show why that is true... and that's something that can't be proven by experiment. the position you're presenting is not a scientific one, but a philosophical position called positivism, and it's self refuting since the statement "it must be tested by experiment to be shown true" can't by tested by experiment and thus can't itself be shown to be true.
(December 5, 2013 at 2:56 pm)pocaracas Wrote: One should be the negative of the other.maybe you should watch the second vid 2:49-3:40 again. WLC is claiming that if space-time was created it can't be annihilated since it would always make since to say "the universe did exist." so he's not saying that time goes on without space-time, he's saying he can't stop space time since it has been set into motion.
You (via WLC) implied that it is logical to think that time goes on, even in a situation where space-time doesn't exist. I simply stated the negative of that, asking why is that illogical.
Quote:I wouldn't presume to know how time is created, but my best guess would put that creation outside of time.I don't think that would be necessary. the creation of time could occur in time if it was simultaneous to time. it could simply be said "the creation of time was an event in time occurring at the very moment time emerged into existence."
Quote:I... I don't remember ever having mentioned the requirement for time to exist in order for the god entity to create time...you said that the creation of time would have to be an event outside time, but i'm saying since no time is necessary between cause and effect, the creation of time could be an event within time at the exact moment of time emergence.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.
-Galileo
-Galileo